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| They quite enjoyed it.
Btw it's Kristel... I don't think anyone has any place for badmouthing anything to do with spreading God's word, that's just plain inappropriate. And if you are doing it to make things better, then saying 'it sucks' isn't quite enough. Also we need to allow it to get better. The success of most of the games depends solely on whether we decide to like them or not. Take dodgeball, we got into this mindset where dodgeball was the ultimate and we have been playing it forever, but any other games and it's all groan.. Let's try things before we count them out. Also one of the reasons that really destroys youth and makes it not as fun is the disrespect that is shown to the people giving sermons or running activities. I've been to other youth groups and when their leader speaks, everyone is silent. Why don't our leaders get the same treatment? I think that highly disrespectful. I can see youth getting a lot better soon, but it's not just up to the leaders, its up to all the Christians. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm, yeah. It will be aye. We shall see what happens aye  . If it is a complete screw up, then it's a learning curb. If it is a sucess, then it's a sucess. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Too many people come through our youth, hard to keep track of all of them
I thought last night went rather well, got learning in without really disrupting the flow of the night so I'm happy, that's all I've been asking for. Will be interesting to see how the newbies take it tonight |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| don't worry steve, it's only because you're getting old now, it's krystel i think, she's registered on thoih as M!LKY. | |
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| Fire Fall down isn't going to played any time soon, but one day it will used. Don't worry its time will come.
What was the girl's name that came to youth a few weeks ago on a thursday, was it Crystal or something like that. That's awful i should try and remember these kids names. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| i think the last new people were was jess (neilsen's one), and maybe jacqui, but i can't remember whether her or eliza came first.
you naughty steven, forgetting people like that! now for the reason i came in here, i rather enjoyed last night's thing, i think we all would've learned something, if not through the heart>words>salvation thing through the 'how decisions are made' section at the end. in regard to the decisions part i agree with pretty much all of what was said, though i'm a bit grumpy about no 'fire fall down' indefinately. it balanced out, though. thumbs up. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| We have NEW people coming to youth. WOOHOO!!!! When was the last time we had someone new to a friday/saturday youth? I can't remember. Was it Eliza? Cos that was a long time ago.
I promise to be on the best of behaviour.
As for the other thing, I'm glad to see you're doing a sermon tomorrow, can't wait!! I'm not dissing anyone's ideas, and it's probably this online talking things fault, but some of your messages come across as aggressive, so I'm happy to keep reading on here more and more ideas, but as shane said, tell me in person too, so I don't get confused. I also understand where you are coming from neilsen, cell groups can be a bit daunting, but you have to take a step of faith someotimes to get anywhere. But i can understand those who have reservations about that sort of stuff anyway. Cya all tonight!!!!!!!! |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Zomg! They are coming
Yeah, Shane I agree... I don't know what started this, but I'm just suggesting stuff |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Here's what I promote...
Since this is dragging on for longer than it should and arguments are taking place when they can easily be avoided... sometime in the future (even friday or sunday?) if you have some feedback for the youth then actually say them in the real world where expression is conveyed a lot easier. Our youth group is a family and even though families do fight sometimes, its still not nice. I don't want to see someone of the family leave over something that can simply be fixed by facing it all in the real world. And keeping it in line with the youth thread... I will be having Rachel and Ingrid coming to youth this friday. This is going to be pret-ty much the equivilant of a first time for both of them. That's why I say friday/saturday night youth should be a 'normal' youth night with less of a thursday influence. Its gonna be pretty hard for both of them, so play nice. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| As do I, and that is what I am doing. Offering suggestions and helping out... I'm actually helping Vicki out so... Geoff and Vicki actually like what I write, so there you go. | |
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| Stevie: Penny had a read of what you said.
Something I want to add about what you said about the walk... Think of it as a youth, you're going to a cell group, on your own and hardly know any of the adults there, walking into the middle of a series (Sunday nights at the Redshaw's for example) not knowing what's been going on, that's even if you can get to one since they're on Thursday night. It's rather off putting. Before you get the wrong idea, I have been to a cell group before so I know what it is. I also realise that a Sunday night will be made for the youth eventually and I can't wait. Also, the Sunday after camp when we were figuring out between ourselves what to do mid-week for the first time. Yes the main idea was for the music, but we were also going to try and get someone to say something, like Petra since we were going to have it at Ben's. So the idea of a short word of some kind has always been there. But this is probably all I'm going to add now, the people who want more will always want more and those who are fine with how it is are going to stay there, there's nothing any of us can do about that. I'm just putting forth MY ideas to make youth better, because I want to see it and me grow spiritually. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah man, I see where your coming from dude. I've just had enough of people telling me the same old "well what are you going to do about it" line. If I want something, then I should take the initiatve. And that's what I am doing, creating messages, to hopefully get the ball rolling | |
| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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i would thank Penny if she was still on here, but she isn't, arghhh. 
That's how I feel sometimes with you lot, you don't realise the time that we put into it. With me personally I'm at uni 5 days a week and holding down a part time job. And my brother works 40+ hours per week. it's not like we sit around all day and think of how to make youth better. I'm sorry to say it, but Neilsen and Elliot you must realise that neither of you have a job or go to school, per se. I understand you're looking for a job elliot, and that's commendable, and I hope you'll realise how busy life can become when you have one. I'm glad to see that some of you want to advance on your walk with God, but really if you want to seriously go further, I strongly recommend attending cell groups, prayer meetings, prayer vigils, even bible school, cos youth is only one of the first steps, as Adam said, towards your walk with God. Just reading back over the posts then and I just read that you Wilkins think youth is monotonous. May I ask when was the last time you came to youth for more than 2 weeks in a row. I mean that with all due respect to you Wilkins, cos you're a good kid, but you must realise you're only getting snippets of what we've been doing lately. I'm not angry with any of you guys, I would just appreciate it if you could see what youth is like from our (the leaders) perspective. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't feel like coming to Thursdays. I really don't. Besides, I have to work. | |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| id did put a bit in on what we could do .
and wtf? |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| From looking back into the picture, youth looks like a good' ol fishin' trip. You set up a good ol' bit of meat on a nice big hook, it leaves the option very open and available for whoever is interested. Its not likely that someone will just wander into a church and discover "Christ" etc, etc, I guess we all need a little bit of a sample before we do anything big. No one wants to sit an exam they have no idea about, thats why we're givin revision sheets, so we know what we can expect.
Youth is like walking up a flight of stairs I guess, you can't just jump up a few stories, you need to get a bit of a feel of "getting there". This is what youth is offering..that "feel". And you can continue on your journey... Also, the same games may happen everyweek, but the same thing doesn't  .. Just think about all of the different "lols", I believe church is a main 'arena' for "SERIOUSLY LEARNING SCRIPTURE".
Quit making it all about yourself Robbie. It doesn't matter what people think about you in this thread, really. Its how people feel about youth. Like Steven said, its all about what you put in, its like life. If you want to put in 100%, it'll pretty much be guaranteed you'll get what you want. Its a group effort, to seek individual results I think. Its good reading scriptures and applying it to your own self, thinkign of ways to better yourself. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| yeh i mean im like the youngest one there and sure thatd be great and ive learnt alot from just the stuff youth does i actually learnt stuff from those "silly bible thinggys" i dont know where the rest of you are but i havent learnt that much i still have alot more of the basics n stuff to learn about .
and i dont know if its just me but listen i do alot of it these days and its taught me alot though i wight just look like a stupid kid that knows nothing but theres a bit more to me than most of you think . but meh its preety fine where it is now i reckon it would be hard enough as it is just to get a youth group going littone make every in it perfectly happy . |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sorry wilkins but if you had read back a few posts you'll read why saturday youth isn't like that. Saturday youth is to bring people in not to advance our own personal walk in God, that is what Thursdays and Sunday Church meetings are for. I recommend you talk to vicki about your thoughts. | |
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| Wilkins, what about the people that ARE actually kids at youth?
You're not thinking of the younger members here. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I might not be coming to Youth Alive.
Back on the situation Youth is very monotonus, it's the same games every week. You see, we are not kids anymore and we (a lot of us) understand somethings, and we need to learn scripture, not just to bring us down and screw us up... but to wisen us up a bit. The last time I heard a serious sermon from Vicki was the whole "Thou shalt not gossip" message. We need more than just the games on saturday and the p&w on thursday. WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LEARN SCRIPTURE. We are not kids anymore. You may not agree with me, but that's what I think... And just so you don't go "well what are you doing about it", I am making messages and sermons to preach. |
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| Just so all of you know, the money for youth alive is due on Friday Night. It costs $20 and if it isn't in by Friday then I'm pretty sure you can't go. Don't quote me but I think that the cut off date is the 1st of September, this Saturday, therefore Friday is your last chance, no exceptions. At the moment I think only 4 have paid, so lets see if we can reach double figures. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm, I too agree with Adam.
Suggestion * Possibly half an hour prayer time from 6:30-7, so the time that we used to use for the 'Bible teachings' can come back, and well ...be set. That way we can concentrate on the teachings instead of how much time we have left to pray for people. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Stevie's being macho! 
Bravo, put that foot down! |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| sorry guys but I'm confused
Firstly you quoted a different part of what Penny said then what I was referring to. I'm referring to this bit of her thing.
Secondly Elliot, there is a difference between negative feedback and constructive critism. It's disappointing to hear negative feedback (e.g. Youth was boring last night) when the person who says it makes no effort at trying to offer a suggestion to help fix it. It is constructive critism when there is a suggestion offered. Also we haven't had one of those "silly" bible study things in about a month because of a lot of you, including you Elliot, don't even attempt to take it seriously and crack jokes. So you can't really say that its silly when some of you aren't even making a full effort to make it educational and meaningful. Fair enough that some of the scenarios are a bit farfetched but for some they are very real and some in the group might be going through one of those scenarios right now. Hypothetically the next bible study we were going to look at could be one that affects one of us very deeply and that person may be yearning to hear how some of us might handle the situation. But by making fun of these scenarios you may inadvertantly pull one of your friends down, who may already be as low as possible at that moment and you are dragging them down even further. So just think about that the next time we do one of the "silly" bible studies. You only get out of it what you put into it. So don't any of you dare think of them as "silly" anymore, especially if you're not gonna put an effort into it. For the record none of that was directly aimed at you Elliot, so don't feel like it was, cos I'm directing this to all those in the youth group. Also the Thursday night is called a Praise and Worship Night, not a scripture night. Therefore bible study will be kept but at a lesser degree when compared to the songs time. But don't worry there is talk of a bible study time being put into action sometime in the future, but don't ask when cos it might be awhile. Also guys remember that we are only there for 2 hours and by the time we start we have even less time. I'm sure when we start having youth church meetings that will all change, but yet again that will be awhile in the making. Thanks Adam for that post that's what I've been trying to put into words for awhile. Cheers |
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| I quite agree with Adam, actually. | |
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| Its whatever people want to make it out to be, isn't that right? If some people want to go "hard-out" with praise and worship, I think people should do that, if thats is what THEY want. I used to see youth as a social outing, it was great coming on the weekend to catch up with you guys. But, as for the Christ side of things, I find that going to church is a much better place to be learning things. From my understanding, and Pring Street Pastor's understanding, going to youth is the first baby step.
So, as Steve has said it's going to stay like that, and I think thats a great idea. It's like open days for universities and schools and what not, you get your sample of it, but its never the "real deal". I liked going to youth, it was great, I didn't see it as a 'religious' environment, etc, etc. It's great. However, taking the next step to church, I really liked. Church/youth are almost on each end of the scales, I like both. However, I prefer church when it comes to Christ "stuff". Simply, because thats what church is based on, rather than a social outing. So, i think you should reconsider (Robbie) what you just said, let people do what they want (within boundaries) and let the leaders determine what they think is the best things to be doing. Because, face it...it wouldnt be A) possible without them and B) so great without them.. They're doing their best, let them keep going, dont try and put a blockade up. |
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yeh n stuff ive talked to steven about that a while ago . if we do want it to grow and let more people in i thnk we do need to make it more of a social thing but also give it some leeway i dont know but i think there should be the prayer meeting and something afterwards for the thursday people n stuff or sometihng 
im not sure i wasent listened to then i dont think i should be listened to now im insane and crazy *quick somebody post something else so mine looks less stupid and they read yours !* |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^ QFT | |
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| I am seriously lost here at the moment, im not sure if its everyone misinterpretting posts and seeing arguments or I'm misinterpretting arguments and seeing posts...
But anyways the only change that I'd like to see is the thursday night bible educational thingies. After the discussion about the scenario given I always walk away feeling more confused then before... So thats all I have. I like the 'outings' to normal saturday night youth ratio at the moment, it gives us lots of opportunity to bring in new people (even though no one is but thats beside the point lol) So my only request is to rethink the thursday night non-song time. |
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