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dosthecat
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yeah, the sitting on the fence part is alot of what gets to me really, of a few things that really annoy me one of them is the idea that you can get away without really having an opinion. you choose something to believe in, something to love, something to aim for, and you do your absolute utmost, completely give yourself over in devotion to it.
worse are people that read or think over this sort of argument, and promptly forget about it. my mission as a christian isn't to 'convert' people, it's to get people thinking, really sifting through the big questions of life. give people a taste of what christianity is, and if they don't like it, there's not much i can do except pray. |
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:53 am |
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| dosthecat wrote: | | yeah, the sitting on the fence part is alot of what gets to me really, of a few things that really annoy me one of them is the idea that you can get away without really having an opinion. you choose something to believe in, something to love, something to aim for, and you do your absolute utmost, completely give yourself over in devotion to it. |
The measurement of that, the 'completely' bit, that's what I don't like. And I'm guessing that's what most people don't like. Everyone is an individual with their own free will and control over their lives. Religion is simply a relinquishing of this control. The degree of control people wish to relinquish varies. You are you. You have complete control. You go into society, you are bound by laws - you have reliinquished some control. You mix with other people, you are bound by customs - you have relinquished more control. You choose to become an Islamic extremist and follow the book to the letter, you are again relinquishing control. Relinquishing a degree of control to a supernatural deity requires faith. Faith is blind relinquishing of control.
Btw Dean, props for your post.
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Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:58 am |
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All good, just gettin in the THoIH mood, and expressin' myself.
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I am Mario!
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:10 pm |
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Quote: Play I'm doing... regarding logic (nice post adam)...
THE SCHOOLMASTER
[to the Officer] Well, my boy, how much is two times two?
[The Officer remains sitting, searching painfully and unsuccessfully in his mind for the right answer.]
Stand up when I ask you a question.
THE OFFICER
[anxious, stands up] Two ... times two ... Let me see ... It’s two two!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Oh is it! You haven’t done your homework.
THE OFFICER
[ashamed] Yes, I have ... I know the answer, I just can’t say it.
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Good try! You know it, you just can’t say it! Perhaps with a little help from me?
[He pulls the Officer’s hair]
THE OFFICER
Oh, this is terrible, just terrible!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Yes, it’s terrible that such a big boy has no ambition.
THE OFFICER
[anxiously] A big boy, yes, I am big, much bigger than the others, I’m a grown man ... [as if waking up] I’ve graduated ... why am I sitting here? I’ve got my doctorate haven’t I?
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Yes you have, but you’ve got to mature, you see. You’re here to mature ... isn’t that right?
THE OFFICER
[clutches his forehead] Yes, that’s right … two times two ... is two, and I’ll prove it by analogy, the highest form of proof! OK. One times one is one - ergo, two times two is two! What applies to one, must apply to the other.
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Your proof follows the laws of logic, but the answer is wrong!
THE OFFICER
The laws of logic can’t be wrong. Let’s test it. One goes into one once, ergo two goes into two twice!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Absolutely correct according to logic. Alright - how much is one times three?
THE OFFICER
Three!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Thus two times three is three as well!
THE OFFICER
[reflects] No ... that can’t be right. It can’t be - unless ... [sits down in despair] You’re right, I’m not mature yet!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Far from it.
THE OFFICER
But how long do I have to sit here then?
THE SCHOOLMASTER
How long? Do you really believe time and space exist here? If time exists, you’d be able to tell me what time is.
THE OFFICER
Time ... [thinks] I can’t say it but I know what it is. Ergo I should know how much two times two is without being able to say it. Do you know what time is?
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Of course I do.
ALL THE BOYS
Tell us then!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Time? Let me see. [stands motionless with his finger on his nose] While I speak time flies. Ergo time is something that flies while I speak!
A BOY
[stands up] You are speaking, Schoolmaster, and while you speak I fly. Ergo I am time. [flies out]
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Again, quite correct according to the laws of logic.
THE OFFICER
Then the laws of logic are absurd because Nils who just flew out of here can’t be time!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
That is also absolutely correct according to the laws of logic, although it is absurd.
THE OFFICER
Then logic is absurd.
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Looks like it, doesn’t it. But if logic is absurd the whole world is absurd ... and I’ll be buggered if I’m going to sit here teaching you absurdities! Whose shout is it? Let’s go for a drink and a swim.
THE OFFICER
This world is posterus prius - turned upside down. You swim first, then go for a drink. You’re an odd fish!
THE SCHOOLMASTER
Now, now, Doctor, you’re too cocky for your own good.
THE OFFICER
Officer, not Doctor! I’m an officer and I’ve no idea why I’m sitting among a bunch of schoolboys putting up with your abuse.
THE SCHOOLMASTER
[raises his finger] To mature!
I think this sums up the small discussion about logic... My view, science is based on logic, that's what science is, but is the logic ALWAYS right? It's all about perspective. Whether 2x2 is 22, 2 or 4.
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I am Mario!
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:13 pm |
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How did God create the Earth?
It says what... and when... but now how...
He commanded stuff, but what does that really mean?
There are many ways to make toast...
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I am Mario!
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Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:30 pm |
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Triple post...
" Faith is blind relinquishing of control. "
That it is, why do you think there's doubt?
God put us here for a relationship with Him. He chooses to have no control over free will because what's the point of forcing someone to be your friend, it's fake.
Now Chris, he's provided you with enough to realise that there's something there. A lot of people say they've had no experience and God, but you had a touch, you felt it.
Main gist: God can't PROVE that he exists, he can hint at it though if WE take the first step. All of us (Christians), all the billions of us, have taken a first step. Now I'm not a dumb man, neither was Einstein.
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