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Sat Apr 21, 2007 10:25 pm |
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Note: Section chosen because of the "Philosophy" part.
Josh asked what good is swearing. I made a topic. Discuss.
I personally think swearing is a double-edged sword. On one hand it's good and on the other it's bad. Swearing adds emotion when used right. Think about it, in a non-vulgar yet nasty breakup what works best as a closing line? "I hate you", or "I fucking hate you". By adding the 'obscenity'you get the point across better, and affect the psyche of the receiver when they reflect on the incident.
Swearing also works as part of culture. Sometimes it doesn't sound right to say toilet. Sometimes you need to say shithouse. There's angry, but to describe the variant better, you're pissed off. Then of course when used properly...great adjective. (It was a whopper, as opposed to It was a fucken whopper)
Publicly to people you have little to no association or rapport with however; swearing has no place. Meaningless swearing is stupid, and yes I do believe you must be over a certain age to swear. Privately though, when you are breaking down, or just raging about something to a good mate; sometimes swearing makes you feel like you're letting the rage/sorrow out and in that case it would be acceptable.
I guess it's sort of a moderation thing. There's a right time and a place for it. Do I believe people should stop swearing altogether? Fuck no.
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I quite agree with you on a general level on this Chris. Just slight modifications to your philosiphy.
It has been etched into our culture to swear. "Bloody" "fucking" and "shit" are everywhere. I agree with you, that these words are labelled swear words on the basis of the agression behind it. I am trying to adopt a strategy where I replace the word "shit" with "human excrament". Just to see what my reply will be.
Back to the swearing culture thing. I read constantly in cricket things done in the 1950's or prior to. The constantly use words like "bastard" and "bloody" but no "fucking". Once again it is a culture and times thing. Now, a lot of people are saying "cunt". Which I am not for.
Swearing is good, in a way. For example: Two people have had exactly the same day, same experiences. Everything. You ask them how their days were. One goes "oh my today was not my day" and the other said "fucking hell, today was really shit". Which one do you believe to have the worse day? based on the words. So yes. Swearing enhances emotion. Which is good. It gets things off peoples' chests. But there is a difference between getting soemthing off your chest and justifying your stupid behaviour and teenage angst filled attitude
look at System of a Down and Slipknot's lyrics. Look at the vast majority of their listeners. Angsty teenagers who use their music to justify their bad behaviour.
Swearing is not bad. For example. I stood on a rusty nail a while ago and yelled out "oh shit, fucking stupid nail!. I also used the words "shit" and "fuck" to bring somebody down and offend somebody. Which isn't good.
It's like the quote from Spiderman:
| Uncle Ben wrote: | | With great power comes great responsibility |
Swear words have great power and have either good or detrimental effects. Use them responsibily
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| i hate people who swear for the hell of it... like theres no need for it when every second work is a swear word! |
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| Wilkins wrote: | | look at System of a Down and Slipknot's lyrics. Look at the vast majority of their listeners. Angsty teenagers who use their music to justify their bad behaviour |
Bullshit..
No one justifies their bad behaviour on the grounds of music they listen to.
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| Quote: | Swearing is not bad. For example. I stood on a rusty nail a while ago and yelled out "oh shit, fucking stupid nail!. I also used the words "shit" and "fuck" to bring somebody down and offend somebody. Which isn't good.
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sorry to be the one to bring religion into this, but when you put a pitchfork through your foot ad yell out 'yah, praizenjeezus!' the uselessness of swearing becomes incredibly apparent.
some of you will be familiar with the yiddish/jewish expression, 'mazel tov', (pr: muzzle tov) meaning, 'what good fortune'. it's jewish tradition that when something is broken, or a someone accidently hurts themselves, that any onlooker would exclaim, 'mazel tov'. this basically expresses, 'what good fortune that it wasn't any worse.'
i believe that just about everything comes down to either of god or of satan, no matter how indirect. now can anyone imagine God encouraging, 'fuck! oh cunt, you fucking slut of a nail!!'? |
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Wouldn't that be "using the lord's name in vain"?
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no... did you read/understand the part about mazel tov?
it's praising god because it wasn't as bad as it could have been. maybe it's done jokingly, but i put it above a load of cursing. |
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| Ads wrote: | | Wilkins wrote: | | look at System of a Down and Slipknot's lyrics. Look at the vast majority of their listeners. Angsty teenagers who use their music to justify their bad behaviour |
Bullshit..
No one justifies their bad behaviour on the grounds of music they listen to. |
Oh really?
| dosthecat wrote: | system of a down- soldier side.
just testing, see if it's having any effect on me still - so far it's negative. |
May I look more into this?
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yeah, look into it and i'll tell you that the music was a reflection of my what was going on in my head, not the other way round.
no-one carries on like a cranky, whiny little bitch because they listen to a certain sort of music, they listen to a certain sort of music because they're a cranky, whiny little bitch. |
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I will write a MONSTER of a post in regards to this... It will take me a couple of weeks
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Swearing, eh? I know that no one will probably take notice of what I think and I'll probably be yelled at with opposition to my opinion, but what the heck.
I disagree with swearing for a number of reasons.
1, the one which I think is most important of all. God wouldn't like it. Elliot mentioned it before, but I'm saying it again. God is my leader, the one that I try to please, love, respect the most. Whenever someone swears, I'm pretty sure he's not grinning his face off like a lot of people are when they swear. I can't see Jesus walking around on Earth going "You stupid f***ing pharisees! Go f*** yourself! Get the f*** out of my f***ing temple!" Yeah. That's not something I can see my savior doing. I don't know about all you, but yeah..
2. It sounds disgusting. You probably don't agree with me on this one, but oh well. Everytime I hear a swearword, I can't help but flinch. Sure, I've been hearing it since about grade 3. But that doesn't mean I'm used to it. I walk past a person and I hear them say something like, "F***ing hell, Katie is such a f***ing b**** , she said s*** about me in english, what the f***?" Wow. Is this really someone I'm wanting to get to know, hearing them talk like that about a human being? That's a reason I don't use it, I don't want people to walk past me hearing that, thinking urgh, what a cow.
3. It's a bad habit. You start swearing, and its really hard to stop, just like any other bad habit. Say that I'm a swearer. If one day, what the heck, I get married and I have kids, I can either:
(i)Keep swearing, knowing that my kids will pick up on it and swear just as much as I do.
(ii)Swear only in private, and when I finally slip up in front of my children they'll be completely shocked.
(iii)Stop swearing. The hardest one of all; breaking the habit. This one would take time and hard work, but maybe eventually I would be able to stop and I would be a respectable parent.
If I choose (i), I will probably be seen as a disgusting person, someone who teaches her children bad habits and vulgar language, someone that didn't love her children enough to be a good parent.
If I choose (ii), I may just be seen as a good parent. But when that one solitary f*** slips out of my mouth, all my good reputation goes down the drain as my kids think 'oh, mummy swears, i can too!'
If I choose (iii), it will take hard work, a long time, but I would be a non-swearer. My kids may turn out to be drug addicted potheads, binge drinkers, but at least I had taken that step, for them. At least in my household, there was none of that filthy language you hear if you take one step out of the house. At least thats who I was.
Why should I have to wait until God starts telling me to stop my language to stop? Why should I have to wait until some random adult/teacher comes and yells at me for using disgusting language in a classroom? Why should I have to wait until I have kids to stop?
Oh, I know! I just won't swear in the first place!
Even if you are a swearer now, taking that step to try and stop, thats a feat in itself. You can stop before all of that happens.
But hey, you might not want to. You might want to keep swearing. It's not like I can stop you, and I'm not gonna hate you for it.
The end..
EDIT: I also don't care if you TL/DR. Yay! |
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Bravo Penny (I read it!  )
My opinion... is kinda a mish-mash, yes, it adds emphasis to something you're trying to say... like saying pissed as opposed to annoyed, it has that much more meaning. a sudden reflex to you putting a metal spike through your toe (though when I hit myself I usually stop breathing to not swear ). However like Penny said, it isn't a very nice trait to have, at least around a non-swearer.
Now, I've heard my mum swear a few times, usually to the reflex that I said above (me sneaking up on her is the main one, I walk quietly around the house ), but that doesn't make her a bad person.
So what am I trying to say with all that? No idea, but there should be a limit to why you swear, in my view, reflex is ok, emphasis depends on what you're adding emphasis to and just mindlessly ranting? that can get stuffed. |
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Penny. WELL DONE! FRICKEN WELL DONE (watch out for hug tomorrow). You are spot on the ball in all regards. Very good.
I am trying after I say a swear word apologise for it. I know I have a problem when it comes to this. And will try (with both my God's any my stength) to eradicate this.
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| Wilkins wrote: | | May I look more into this? |
Yes please, perhaps a case study or some type will be a good read. Plus the justification would be deemed useless anyway, I tend to agree with what elliot said,
"no-one carries on like a cranky, whiny little bitch because they listen to a certain sort of music, they listen to a certain sort of music because they're a cranky, whiny little bitch."
Example 1
Juvenile is up in the magistrate courts for graffitting {sp?} the local train station, the magistrate is trying to determine why the juvenile has done this. Little can music be blamed because of this, because in the end..a person controls everything they do, except in some cases I guess. There for music can not be justified for what has happened. Shit, music can't justify anything, other that maybe particular persona's or something one may have.
Nor could music justify the magistrates decision. 
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Magistrate listening to his/her ipod whilst sentences a juvenile 
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Does this mean people are against FUCKfests now?
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yeah, um... swearing, and by implication hatred for the reciever, has spiritual consequences as well. jesus 'cursed' a tree, next day it was dead: words have power. scripture is just a bunch of words, but it has power.
i'm starting to build an idea that swearing has about the opposite effect of worship. verbal worship and swearing are both verbalisations of emotions, only those emotions are the difference between curses and blessings.
i'd post longer, but i need to go. |
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Then there's also the relevance to society factor in deciding the offensiveness level of the words.
For example "Oh bother" would've exhibited utter outrage back in the day. Give it about 20 years and "Oh fuck" will be commonplace.
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"Oh, boy...do nodes confuse me"
"Fucking nodes, hate em'"
Noooodes
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Penny, that was awesome.
| Chris wrote: | | I personally think swearing is a double-edged sword. On one hand it's good and on the other it's bad. |
All I can really say to this is let's just say that one edge is MUCH sharper and painful than the other, and let's not forget who you're flinging this sword at when you swear.
From what I can see lately (not just assuming, I've been watching) people seem to be getting angrier when they swear, I mean they can just be having a civil conversation, someone will swear and it will escalate.
| Chris wrote: | | Swearing also works as part of culture. |
That doesn't make it any better? Listen to someone like Reggie Dabbs when they say things like "Greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world" or something to that effect. Swearing is a part of this world, I can tell you now, they don't swear in heaven.
Also there just seems to be this while disrespect (from everyone, myself included) for adults, and also for people younger than us, like we are above everyone else, we can correct whoever we like, we are always right kinda thing. Except it's always happening, I mean teachers are talking about the kinds of things they grew up studying and we just turn around and say "actually it's..." etc, well I found an interesting scripture yesterday, everyone just read it and think for a second. This chapter btw is titled advice for the young, this is just a snippet, i recommend reading the whole thing.
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Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Never rely on what you know. Remember the Lord in everything you do, and he will show you the right way. Never let yourself think that you are wiser than you are; simply obey the Lord and refuse to do wrong |
I've got this whole thing about pride going at the moment, I'll elaborate later.
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| Jr W wrote: | Then there's also the relevance to society factor in deciding the offensiveness level of the words.
For example "Oh bother" would've exhibited utter outrage back in the day. Give it about 20 years and "Oh fuck" will be commonplace. |
commonality is irrelevant. the issue is about right or wrong...
"if six billion people all did the wrong thing, it will still be a wrong thing."
still think swearing is a great idea?
"give it about 20 years and it'll be commonplace", try applying that to the justification of other 'wrong things'. murder, rape, drunkenness, drug use, suicide...
i swear, then i denounce swearing... so call me a hypocrite. but if a convicted and confessed murderer decided that the deliberate taking of human life is a bad thing, well... he's a hypocrite then too, i guess. |
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I meant vocabulary obviously.
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| just giving a metaphor to hilghlight the absurdity of "give it twenty years and swearing will be commonplace." as an argument. |
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Way back when, pants was a dirty word.
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I want "overpants"... ovies.... not undies
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| Quote: | | Way back when, pants was a dirty word. |
yeah? way back when, you could kill a man in cold blood, or even robbery, and expect worse than a three month jail term.
with all it's penicillin, electricity and communications, this is still no sign to me that society has progressed much since the start of the 20th century.
far outweighing the progression of society, i see a progression of sin...
keep swearing, or fight it? maybe giving up fuckcuntarseshit won't make any difference, but i'm willing to give it a go... |
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Good on ya. I think I'll take the other road. For fuck's sake I believe I will.
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I know I'm a bit late, but I remember Wilkins saying some stuff about swearing and it being alright, but I put to you Wilkins, seeing as you feel so strongly about using the Lords name in vain...
Is there really a difference between swearing and using Gods name in vain?
Think hard, think about the effects that it has on you and on your relationship with God.
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i basically put swearing in the same category as fire. it tends to distance you from people.
i think i've pretty much got control over my swearing, i let a few out every now and then depending on the company, and i try to keep it to myself around people who might take offense. that is how i think swearing should be done, or not at all. |
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I don't fuckin swear.
But for real, swearing is something i dislike yet I do it. I guess it was just, growing up in school so many people swore around you so it just kinda becomes an everyday thing. It's hard trying to stop lolll.
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That was lame ryan.
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