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well i just thought i would be good to everybody elses views and beliefs things so
just write down here how u think the world happened - i dont mind if arguments happen:p
and ive asked a few people what they belive and they say oh evolution then i usually ask them what happened then they go on about how these micro organisms multply and evolve into more complex beings - which i think is crp because where did these micro organisms come from ?.
and then i ask them if they belive in godand heaven, they say no ,so i ask them if they belive in the devil and hell and they say yes and im the wtfudge you cant have one without the other !!![/b]
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I have learnt that, don't argue God and evolution in the same topic. They are incomparrible
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yes i just dont belive how some people can believe that
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Why? (To robbie)
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grr
umm well how can you make everything from nthing by evolving where did the stuff come from that evolves .
how did the world and the universe get made did the earth feel like evoling to be round i dont think so
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| why cant you just get over on what others think... man everyone is different - it seems like your trying to get everyone to have the exact same beliefs and views as you! |
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adam asked me what i think ,
i do respect what other people belive i personally may not agree but i will respect them for it .
and i can see the reasong for what they think
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| walters, get off it. i was like him at his age (second birthdays, that is). |
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SCIANCE!... Bears little or no logic. The evolution Theory is just that, a theory. It isn't an accual way of thinking, but an idea that sciantists have put forward because they refuse to believe that Christ (Or any other religous Icon I might add) is God.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:05 pm |
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| Little Jess wrote: | | SCIANCE!... Bears little or no logic. The evolution Theory is just that, a theory. It isn't an accual way of thinking, but an idea that sciantists have put forward because they refuse to believe that Christ (Or any other religous Icon I might add) is God. |
I'm sorry, what was that, I couldn't understand because of all the shit you were speaking (and I don't just mean in a religious context, seriously, you all need to learn about SPELLING and GRAMMAR. In today's society both are very important).
You've come out and said that the scientific reasoning for evolution and creation cannot possibly be true because it's just a theory. Aha, and god has been proven to exist. The argument works both ways.
And if the evolution theory isn't a way of thinking, then why is it that so many people think that it's true.
I also refuse to believe that every scientist ever is an atheist. The very notion is idiotic on countless levels.
I'm not dismissing the existence of any supreme deity, but saying that science can't possibly be right because there's nothing to prove it is just a load of hypocritical bullshit.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:33 pm |
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I was watching 60 Minutes last week...
Yeah, they kinda discovered ole mate's remains.
Resurrected aye?
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chris, how did they figure out that the remains were in fact jesus'? not having seen the 60 minutes piece, my guess would be that they compared their archaelogical find with the account of jesus' grave in the gospels, which by your logic are proved to be erroneous through the disovery of jesus' remains. by my logic, however, nothing is proved.
okay... so you say that the resurrection is disproved by the finding of a corpse that matches the gospel's account of the burial, but for a man to reason the discovery of the body of jesus he would have to recognise that the gospel's account of the burial is true. this is a classic example of a cognitive dissonance, which may also be known as a load of shit propagated by media corporations to get people watching.
this doesn't prove that jesus rose, this is meant to bring careful consideration to the shit you see on TV.
as for you kyle, probably more than half of your post constitutes a hasty generalisation, yet you say that jess doesn't make sense. back your arguments up with something real, please.
wait, on reading the post again, i'd say that it's alot more than half.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:33 pm |
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| Little Jess wrote: | | SCIANCE!... Bears little or no logic. The evolution Theory is just that, a theory. It isn't an accual way of thinking, but an idea that sciantists have put forward because they refuse to believe that Christ (Or any other religous Icon I might add) is God. |
I fail to see how it isn't a way of thinking, if so many people seem to think its true. I'm no believer of evolution, I find so much of it to be garbage. Until you sit a biology class on their foundations and beliefs, I dont think you should just straight out say "its a theory, therefore wrong". Some aspects of evolution do make sense, so dont be ignorant towards it. I almost dont pay attention in class (biology) because its a load of tripe, however you perhaps shouldn't just say "its a theory, kthxbye".
| Jess wrote: | | SCIANCE!... Bears little or no logic. |
There is something in that which is a bit alarming. Because, oftenly enough the science involved in reproduction has no logic, nor the science behind heart-transplants. So, I fail to see how logic works. The logic behind some bloke chucking a universe into action etc in 7 days....is hardcore. Which, I do believe in. However, calling evolution illogical is just ignorant.
I'm having a bad post night..... kthxbai
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:28 am |
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i'd like to draw attention to something here if i may.
| Quote: | | an idea that sciantists have put forward because they refuse to believe that Christ (Or any other religous Icon I might add) is God. |
it appears to me that evolutionary/creationist-hate-o-nary science is becoming more and more absurd and illogical as it scrambles for a way out of the only other alternative: responsibility to a Creator. i won't go into the gory details of theoretical probability and the value of the weak nuclear force n stuff, but i'll leave the floor open to questions. |
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:21 pm |
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| dosthecat wrote: | as for you kyle, probably more than half of your post constitutes a hasty generalisation, yet you say that jess doesn't make sense. back your arguments up with something real, please.
wait, on reading the post again, i'd say that it's alot more than half.
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Where did I generalise? I addressed each one of her points and told her not to be such a damn hypocritical bitch. If we have to prove that evolution was the way that things came into being, then you should have to prove the same for god. No ifs, ands or buts about it. By telling me that I have to prove one while you don't, you're creating a double standard and a rather dumb point of view. I am not here to create a debate about the validity of either theory of creation, but rather point out that you can't ask someone to prove something and then say that your faith is reason enough. Does that mean that if I believe in the theory of evolution enough that it must be true? No.
And to ask me to back up my arguments with something real is just an idiotic statement on it's own. Your entire argument was that you believe so it must be true.
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Aha. Hypocrite much.
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:14 pm |
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icky, yucky .
hear the full version and or versions of both sides then argue and, if you have well meh .
though i do believe in god creating it all i do acknowledge others beliefs and theries on the matter .
though the claim the the whole world was created from little organisms and it just evolved into what we are today . but then that rasies where did it come from in the first place ?
then god created it in 7 days and such ,
either way there is no proof , thats what faith is for .
though the bible is more than evolution has .
im tired some of it might not make sense and be wrong but eh im tired so shoot me 
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| jess wrote: | Well, thats what happens when you post something that differs from others opinions... instant flame
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| That Guy wrote: | | jess wrote: | Well, thats what happens when you post something that differs from others opinions... instant flame
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If she calls that a flame, then she has no idea what a flame is.
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You want to know where the initial cell in the Evolution theory came from? I want to know where did your God come from?
And most people believe a man called Jesus existed. From Hindus to hermaphrodites. Whether he was all he was cracked up to be is the main issue.
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:12 pm |
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People should know. My opinion on the subject does not lie here nor there. I really don't want to argue about the existence of Jesus. I am in here because Little Jess is incredibly hypocritical in regards to the subject, something that I didn't think is fair.
I in no way endorse the argument put forward by Jr W.
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:27 pm |
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Ahhhhhhhhhh... Keep this going. I'll respond later
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:05 pm |
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first point. kyle: "hasty generalisation", wiki it.
| Salvation wrote: | | Where did I generalise? |
right here:
| Salvation wrote: | | You've come out and said that the scientific reasoning for evolution and creation cannot possibly be true because it's just a theory. Aha, and god has been proven to exist. The argument works both ways. |
and here:
| Salvation wrote: | | I also refuse to believe that every scientist ever is an atheist. The very notion is idiotic on countless levels. |
and even though the occurance came after the question was asked, here too:
| Salvation wrote: | | Your entire argument was that you believe so it must be true. |
"the argument works both ways"
no kyle, the argument doesn't work both ways because the argument was never brought up in jess' post. you saw an opportunity to shoot down someone because they tried to discredit the idea of "darwinian" evolution as being proven fact; and somehow you imagined she was trying to flatly disprove it. don't know why you imagined this, i'm a christian, not a psychiatrist.
"...refuse to believe that every scientist ever is an atheist. The very notion is idiotic on countless levels."
einstein comes to mind, who's scientific processes were largely driven by religious motivations. this was just a pointless stab that had no basis anywhere in the rest of this thread.
"Your entire argument was that you believe it so it must be true."
no-where in jess's, nor in my posts will you find this argument. another trick of the mind, eh kyle?
I agree, however, with the statement that evolution is not entirely illogical. it is highly logical, it even seems like a natural explanation for existence, but it has a great deal of flaws, and as such needs to undergo further "theological development" before i consider it an acceptable alternative to faith in God.
now you ask, why faith in this particular God? because, as there is no way to find out which 'deity' is ultimately responsible for our existance, one must simply either make a random selection between faiths or choose the most convenient option. i chose the latter path and since then i have accounted a large amount of what could be called 'circumstantial' evidence in support of my decision. it's far from proven, even in my own mind, but i hold it to be far truer than many so called 'truths'.
take a deep breath, and start again.
| Jr W wrote: | | I want to know where did your God come from? |
my understand of God (Yahweh as the original manuscripts know Him) is that he exists completely seperate from our space-time continuum, in a fabulous realm of pixie-dust and unicorns known as 'eternity'. In OT time i believe this place was parlty synonymous with "Sheol", where dead people went. i believe that within eternity there are divisions, between heaven (the throne room), hell (where naughty people such as liberals, your daddy and fag-enablers go to burn forever in perfect suffering) and the afore-mentioned Sheol.
what i'm basically saying is that He didn't come from anywhere, the dimensional laws which govern his paradoxical existance external to our universe allow this. again, i can't really explain this in its complete depth, i'm a christian, not a seraph. |
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:09 pm |
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Yeah. I'm not buying it.
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| didn't think you would, your question 'where did God come from' never wanted an answer, it was only ever meant to be a rhetorical attack, am i right? |
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Are you right? Go light a fire.
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Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:23 pm |
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| pardon me, but am i meant to read into that somehow? |
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| Salvation wrote: | | You've come out and said that the scientific reasoning for evolution and creation cannot possibly be true because it's just a theory. Aha, and god has been proven to exist. The argument works both ways. |
| Quote: | | SCIANCE!... Bears little or no logic. The evolution Theory is just that, a theory. It isn't an accual way of thinking, but an idea that sciantists have put forward because they refuse to believe that Christ (Or any other religous Icon I might add) is God. |
Evolution is just a theory. Might I point out that Christianity is just a faith. That is what I meant by "The argument works both ways". Mankind has a need to explain everything, and "God" and "The evolutionary theory" are both just ways of doing that.
| Quote: | "the argument works both ways"
no kyle, the argument doesn't work both ways because the argument was never brought up in jess' post. you saw an opportunity to shoot down someone because they tried to discredit the idea of "darwinian" evolution as being proven fact. |
So because I don't believe in god, I MUST believe in the Evolutionary Theory. What was that about hasty generalisations?
I didn't try to "shoot down" anyone, but the way I read and interpreted what Jess said is that God is true but Science has absolutely no proof of fact. My question is, and God does? I don't want to debate either one's merit, simply the validity of her argument.
| Quote: | "...refuse to believe that every scientist ever is an atheist. The very notion is idiotic on countless levels."
einstein comes to mind, who's scientific processes were largely driven by religious motivations. this was just a pointless stab that had no basis anywhere in the rest of this thread. |
Well, didn't you just prove my point for me? Not every scientist ever is an atheist. I brought it up because her argument stated that Science had no logic to it and interpretively it was saying that The Bible was more logical. Which would imply that one could not be both a scientist and a religious person.
| Quote: | "Your entire argument was that you believe it so it must be true."
no-where in jess's, nor in my posts will you find this argument. another trick of the mind, eh kyle? |
You're right. She didn't 'say' that. What she implied and how I interpreted her post however did suggest that that was what she meant.
| Quote: | | I agree, however, with the statement that evolution is not entirely illogical. it is highly logical, it even seems like a natural explanation for existence, but it has a great deal of flaws, and as such needs to undergo further "theological development" before i consider it an acceptable alternative to faith in God. |
And where did I say that I didn't think it was illogical. I don't like the theory of evolution as much as I don't like religion. To be completely honest, I really couldn't give 2 shits about how the human race was created. I'm here right now, and that's all that matters to me.
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Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:29 am |
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| Quote: | | Well, didn't you just prove my point for me? |
not really, your 'point' to me falls under the category, "common sense".
| Quote: | | So because I don't believe in god, I MUST believe in the Evolutionary Theory. |
again, you can look, but you won't find me putting this view forward. i've tried, but i can't see how you can get this out of my post. there are other alternatives to faith in either system, from string theory to classical philosophy. this borderlines the common sense category, but it's a teeny bit too complex for that: not every sixth grader can understand the basic existential concepts put forward by The Matrix Trilogy
| Quote: | | To be completely honest, I really couldn't give 2 shits about how the human race was created. I'm here right now, and that's all that matters to me. |
kyle, out of the myriad of explanations for why someone doesn't put their faith in something, this would probably be the most logically acceptable one i've ever heard, and that's a genuine compliment; but still, as you put it, 'Mankind has a need to explain everything', so i wonder how you can exist with something that to me just seems so unsatisfactory. if i were a follower of this, i'd probably have to put myself into a philosophical environment or something like that. just me being curious as to how you cope, really |
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| Quote: | | To be completely honest, I really couldn't give 2 shits about how the human race was created. I'm here right now, and that's all that matters to me. |
kyle, out of the myriad of explanations for why someone doesn't put their faith in something, this would probably be the most logically acceptable one i've ever heard, and that's a genuine compliment; but still, as you put it, 'Mankind has a need to explain everything', so i wonder how you can exist with something that to me just seems so unsatisfactory. if i were a follower of this, i'd probably have to put myself into a philosophical environment or something like that. just me being curious as to how you cope, really |
Mankind as a whole tries to explain their own existence by putting forth explanations as to how they came into being. You've got thousands of religions across the world because of each civilisations need to explain everything.
Mankind as an individual can accept the world for what it is and not care about how or why things came into being, but instead focus on what they are going to do at that point in time. I have no need to know about the past because I'd rather focus on 'my' future. Evolution, Divine Creation, they're both the same thing, just different ways of approaching the same subject, and if I know the end result, then I don't have to know the origin of it.
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| Quote: | | Evolution, Divine Creation, they're both the same thing, just different ways of approaching the same subject, and if I know the end result, then I don't have to know the origin of it. |
I agree with this statement... who cares about the question when you have the answer? Live life as you see fit, and let others do the same in peace. And me, I'm tossed around with religion and all that. I don't deny that there's a god, because there very well may be, yet I don't go out of my way to acknowledge one. (And this is why some people get pissed at me... I sit on the fence, ha ha)
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