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Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:58 pm |
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I fell over a thread on Firestream about Christian bands etc, then the Evanescence debate came up... Here is what Wikipedia says, its quite startling:
| Wikipedia wrote: | Labeling controversy
Originally promoted in Christian stores, the band eventually made it clear they did not want to be considered as part of the Christian rock genre. Wind-up Records chairman Alan Meltzer issued a press release in April 2003 asking for the band's music to be removed from Christian retail outlets.[39]
During a 2003 interview with Entertainment Weekly, Ben Moody stated, "We're actually high on the Christian charts, and I'm like, What the f--k are we even doing there?"[40] This seemed to go against earlier sentiments by Moody that "We hope to express in our music that Christianity is not a rigid list of rules to follow..." and also "The message we as a band want to convey more than anything is simple—God is Love."[41] This has led to criticism of the band within the Christian community, even more so given that the band themselves approved of the plan to distribute Fallen to the Christian market.[42] Terry Hemmings, CEO of Christian music distributor Provident, expressed puzzlement at the band's about-face, saying "They clearly understood the album would be sold in these [Christian music] channels."[43] In the wake of the controversy, "Bring Me To Life" was shed by many Christian radio stations; the song was Top 5 on Radio & Records' Christian Rock Top 30 one week, and completely gone the next. Ex-vocalist and keyboardist David Hodges eventually left the band over the controversy, with other members stating that he had been pulling them in more of a Christian direction than Lee and Moody were comfortable with.
When asked by Billboard in 2006 if Evanescence was a "Christian band," Amy Lee responded, "Can we please skip the Christian thing? I'm so over it. It's the lamest thing. I fought that from the beginning; I never wanted to be associated with it. It was a Ben thing. It's over." |
So, is it any wonder why I kicked up a fuss about the band when we played it at youth when we had p&w time???
So... What is a Christian band or not?? What is your definition??
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A Christian band is a band that includes intentional pro-Christian themes.
Bang end of arguement, anything else is sub-categorised.
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| Jr W wrote: | A Christian band is a band that includes intentional pro-Christian themes.
Bang end of arguement, anything else is sub-categorised. |
Wouldn't be so sure... I'll do a big post later.
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Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:22 pm |
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| Wilkins wrote: | | So, is it any wonder why I kicked up a fuss about the band when we played it at youth when we had p&w time??? |
That was 3 years ago wasn't it?
What Chris said, they're a 'Christian Band' if the message in their music is intentionally Pro-Christian. A band with Christian members in it playing non-Christian music is the same as We Are Scientists playing bad songs, it doesnt matter who they are, if they write bad music they're not a good band. You're a Christian but dont write the music about pro-Christian morals etc, then your not a Christian band.
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| yes i spose so but if you are all christians and are a band and dont do any christian music i say shame on you what happened to spread the world let the whole world know ? |
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Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:07 pm |
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I am really tempted to rip in with a one liner there Robbie, but I will do my side of the argument in an analytical way.
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Ok, well here comes the dreaded "Wilkins has a point of view" part of the show.
When it comes to being "Christian" music there are a lot of different classifications of Christian music. If you go under the view that Christian music should be just a "preachy preachy" thing, then you have instantly put yourself in a lot of hot water. I look at bands like As I Lay Dying, Underoath, Demon Hunter and Thrice as examples of this. They have Christian undertones in their music and lyrics, but do not have them blasted around the place. There are people who question these bands and their Christianity just because they do not blast the name of Jesus in every song. This is why that a lot of secular people are fans of these bands, because the Jesus message is not at them all the time. A money making scheme perhaps, or a ministering tool?
There are other bands who sing about other things as well. I look at Canadian Death Metal musician Dharok which is the band called Sympathy. This band writes its lyrics in such a way that it does not at first glance look like Christian lyrics, but when you dwell on the lyrics you see that they are Christian. Bands like these are also supported by non Christians.
There are bands that I like to call "Metal Ministries" who sing about the God message or Biblical or God related themes in every single song and give praise unto God pretty much all the time. Bands like Mortification, Living Sacrifice, Tortured Conscience, Crimson Thorn, Encryptor really to just name a few. While most of these are supported by secular crowds, Mortification however are not. They constantly receive death threats and other such things from supposed Satanists because of their lyrics and their beliefs.
Then you have bands like Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Grave Defier and Impending Doom, all Christian Deathgrind bands who are well loved and supported by secular fans of the genre because their music is brutal. Their music is also supported by Christian fans because the message they talk about is one of faith and encouragement in the walk of Christ and biblical themes.
You have bands that just want to out of pure hatred for Satan just want to rip the living crap out of him and write about doing so. My friends you have Christian grindgore bands like Demonic Dismemberment and Vomitous Discharge (those are the bands I can think of at this stage) who just want to rip into Satan and kill him  . I mean really, why listen to bands like these when you can listen to Anal Cunt and Fecal Decimation and all of those really nice bands for the family?
There are other bands such as Flesh of Captains who are all Christians and announce it all the time, who just want to make music for music's sake. Who write lyrics about life and experiences and such, as well as eGrind band Ganglia. This notion of Christian musicians MUST be preachy praisy stuff is like saying thall all women must work in the kitchen.
Well there is my view on things... Now to Ollie Williams with the weather. Ollie, what's the weather like? HOT!
Thanks Ollie
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Depends. If you are saying a Christian band as in all the members are Christian, or if you are saying they sing Christian music.
Christian bands in the case of singing Christian music, are bands that have Christian lyrics, etc. All though not all peolpe that have biblical lyrics in their songs are saved..But we know that.
Brooke Fraser, she is a wonderful woman of God, a Christian. She has her own record label, she has released 2 albums. Her latest one by the name of Albertine, inspired by a black African girl. All though Brooke Fraser writes songs and worships in the Hillsong United team, her main music is popular and her songs have been number 1 quite a few times in NZ (her heritage) But you wouldn't call her main music Christian..
So I guess it really depends in the context of speech when you talk about what is a Christian band and what isn't.
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Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:55 pm |
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Yeah, I'm with you Ryan. That's kinda like Zao. They were once full of Christians who had Christian lyrics, then moved to full of Christians who wrote about "non Christian" stuff, then moved to half Christian half not. So yeah
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Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:06 pm |
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This is the same argument as always with a different colour.
Label, label, label.
Here's your subgenres... (not definitive)
Praise and Worship
Christian Contemporary
Pretty much if it's praisin or worshippin ole mate upstairs it's PW, otherwise as long as done in his name it's CC.
If it doesn't fit into either of those categories, it's secular.
So a band does some varying stuff, label them on the majority.
A band full of Christians not singing about Christianity? I call that the equivalent of Geoff talking about football. So it's not on the theme, it's one area of their life and they're probably doing more in their own private life therefore don't judge and label etc etc.
Aki out.
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| To be honest there isn't Christian music. There are Christian lyrics, but what do you class as Christian music. There are certain chords that go together to make a steriotypical "religious" hymn or tune. If you played a Hillsong song without the words, would a non-christian know that it was Christian!! Not likely. |
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| Sorry to burst your bubble, but we're talking about bands, if music was mentioned then I would have already mentioned that a chord can't be saved. |
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Oh no you didn't. New rule: You flame M!LKY you leave yourself open to be called a fuckwit.
Nielsen, you're a fuckwit.
Anyway...
I was talking to Mrs Koehler about how you get a Christian instrumental. She said something about the music being of God because it's being played by someone who is annointed. She's not wrong too often.
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M!LKY is the definition of cool
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maybe it is the same argument all the time with a different label, but it sure is a FUN argument!
i think chris summed it up, now back to love. i'd like there to be a big discussion about whether the stereotypical 1960's nuclear family is the ideal social situation, the pinnacle of humanity, even... but we live in hope. |
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| M!LKY wrote: | | To be honest there isn't Christian music. There are Christian lyrics, but what do you class as Christian music. There are certain chords that go together to make a steriotypical "religious" hymn or tune. If you played a Hillsong song without the words, would a non-christian know that it was Christian!! Not likely. |
Agreed! You legend M!LKY! It is the idealogies and lyrics that makes a band Christian. Not the sound, sorry..
And Nelisen, I have mentioned a list of bands. Fire away...
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I was talking to Mrs Koehler about how you get a Christian instrumental. She said something about the music being of God because it's being played by someone who is annointed. She's not wrong too often. |
Yeah, she isnt wrong too often. When you get a band like Deicide or Cradle of Filth and one of their instrumentals you can tell that it will have a Satanic theme to it by what the band beleives in or the rest of the songs are like, but if you get "Into Again" by Living Sacrifice or "Power of God" by Living Sacrifice you can tell it is good because as Chris mentioned its by annointed people.
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Well I wouldn't say you could tell they were good about an untrained metal ear.
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I can tell the difference between good and bad music 
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So what I am seeing is that if you are a Christian and want to make music it must be strictly for preaching and outreach purposes. So are those bands that have Christian members and that music just cause they love music like secular?
What about A Burden for You?
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Sexual yes.
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If Deicide started talking about Jesus in a positive context then would they be Christian?
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