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clairey
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| Budderball wrote: | | i got a tartan skirt from the salvo shop - lol i get a discount - but yeh it was for my coustume as william wallace!@ |
Gosh - lucky you added that last bit in...otherwise i would have been worried...very worried 
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| Quote: | | its barely holding together |
Fixable? or to much effort |
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the gift horse
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This will be my last post. No point staying where I'm not wanted. If anyone wants to continue the discussion of my points (I doubt it; but you never know), feel free to email me at El.Cansado.de.su.Nombre@gmail.com
As for my identity, well I don't actually know any of you.
| Quote: | | Then that wouldn't be free will. |
Your logic is correct. To have free will without suffering is impossible. But then, I thought nothing was impossible for God?
| Quote: | | first question: this is just grade three reading-comprehension. why do the hypocrites pray in the synagogues and on the street corners? To be seen by men. when you pray for no other reason than to be seen by men, then you are a hypocrite. on assembly, if they pray only to be seen by the people of the assembly, then, well... |
Read the verse again. Not only does Jesus say not to be a hypocrite, he says not to pray like a hypocrite. A nice mistake considering your pleasent treatment of my own reading comprehension.
| Quote: | | second question: DOES the book of enoch need to be the word of God to be true? are all words other than those found in the bible false? |
If one is quoting with a definitive nature about spiritual matters (as is the case), then yes it does need to be the word of God to have any weight. In the fourth century, the Council of Laodicea declared that the Book of Enoch was contrary to the word of God and ruled it out of a place in the Bible. Now either the Council was in error, meaning the Bible is in error or Jesus is in error, meaning he is not divine. There are no other alternatives.
| Quote: | | third. i don't give a damn, couldn't be bothered going over every single page in the bible just to prove you wrong. go on fornicating, but if anyone wants to get all religious legalism on us, you have plenty of other rules follow first. like love the Lord your God. |
IIRC, the verses you are looking for lie in Acts and Deuteronomy. The Acts quote is ruled out because it is a mistranslation, and the Deuteronomy case refers to it as sin because the virginity of the girl is considered property of her father. Since society has progressed into a stage where the father does not own his daughter, it is safe to say that laws banning fornication are among those that have become irrelevent with time.
| Quote: | | fourth question, this is my favourite... |
Then I admire your lack of materialism. However, I'm sure you would agree that your disposition is a rarity among christians, demonstrating how modernisation of christianity has lost the message.
| Quote: | | fifth question. i'll have to actually get my bible for this, you bastard! make me get up would you... first of all, "only god is good!" christ had a pretty good record for humility, which is why he said this, out of humility. he also did this to glorify his Father. luke 3:38, adam was the son of god. fast forward from adam and eve about four thousand years, and we have mary, a daughter of adam. Mary, who was made in god's image concieves with god, and hey! we get god! put a german shepherd with another german shepherd, and wow, you get another german shepherd. * |
Indeed, quite flawed (no point arguing over details since we already agree). So, do you have another argument or do you concede the point?
| Quote: | | sixth question. i already said. nobody's perfect. can't remember whereabouts in the bible, but anyway. "all men have sinned. all have fallen short of God's glory" it is not HUMANLY (get that, humanly!) possible to obey every single one of the laws of moses, let alone the commands given by the prophets and jesus. hell, love thy neighbour is hard enough to live by as it is! hey, i respect anyone who throws out all their fabric-blended clothes out of religious zeal, but christ already died for that. the debt HAS BEEN PAID with his blood. |
THis question was not intended to be a direct argument on its own. I realised someone would use the other translation and my response to that contains my real intentions.
| Quote: | | about that absolute disproof of my religion that you're so eager to locate, it would need to be absolute before i changed anything. |
Oh I don't have a disproof of GOd. As has been pointed out, such things are impossible. The important thing is that you admit you would change your beliefs, the alternative would be insanity. |
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Mr Mittens
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Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:09 pm |
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no... NO!!! Dont leave me! I still love you! Why arn't you replying to all of my PMs? I must Email you, i will not let our relationship fail so easily!
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| Quote: | | no... NO!!! Dont leave me! I still love you! Why arn't you replying to all of my PMs? I must Email you, i will not let our relationship fail so easily! |
Examines post
*wets himself of laughter*
That is the best post on thoih.
Hilariousness Level = 10
English = 7
Dramatic input = 100
Total = 100
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:54 am |
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| Quote: | | Your logic is correct. To have free will without suffering is impossible. But then, I thought nothing was impossible for God? |
I read this somewhere, there is a word for it, but some things are impossible for God. For example, it's impossible for God to sin. |
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dosthecat
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:07 am |
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| i don't understand this person... he doesn't know ANY of us, yet he comes to a more-or-less private forum, not knowing any of us, just to start a fight. as for the idea of disproof of god, of COURSE if somebody is shown an absolute (that's a pretty dangerous word to be throwing around, what with scepticism and nihilism and stuff) disproof of their faith and still believes it, they're mad. now when you wrote that, what point did you have in mind? |
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:55 am |
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| dosthecat wrote: | | i don't understand this person... he doesn't know ANY of us, yet he comes to a more-or-less private forum, not knowing any of us, just to start a fight. as for the idea of disproof of god, of COURSE if somebody is shown an absolute (that's a pretty dangerous word to be throwing around, what with scepticism and nihilism and stuff) disproof of their faith and still believes it, they're mad. now when you wrote that, what point did you have in mind? |
Sounds like patrick! |
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Mr Mittens
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| dosthecat wrote: | | i don't understand this person... he doesn't know ANY of us, yet he comes to a more-or-less private forum, not knowing any of us, just to start a fight. as for the idea of disproof of god, of COURSE if somebody is shown an absolute (that's a pretty dangerous word to be throwing around, what with scepticism and nihilism and stuff) disproof of their faith and still believes it, they're mad. now when you wrote that, what point did you have in mind? |
EXACTLY! Why on earth would you come into here?
Looking for a fight? Looking for answers him/herself by trying to prove something wrong? Try looking for the right answers as opposed to trying to make something the wrong answers. But hey, you probably wont even see this post, i just hope that you find what your looking for, or at least what you think your looking for.
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Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:08 pm |
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so i says to meself, i says, "ah'll fix 'at smartarsed flamin' bludger!"
where christ claims to be god.
Joh 8:58. (KJV) Jesus said unto them, 'verily, verily, I say unto you, before abraham was, I am.'
1: "i am" here is probably a reference to I AM WHO I AM
2: here he states implicitly that he was present at creation, therefore is not a creation, but god. if no implication was meant, then it simply means he was present before abraham was born. i like it better the other way.
i know there's a few "probably" type things in there. if you don't like it then there's always darwin.
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Wilkins
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I reckon when Jesus said "I am THE way, THE truth and THE Light"
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Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:59 pm |
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i was thinking this morning, about the whole leviticus thing, something to do with interpretations (i still haven't worked out what that means!). about wearing cloths wovern of two materials or something. then i started to think about his identity.
| the gift horse wrote: | | if I recall correctly, your own school uniform is a mix of polyester and cotton. How can you call yourself christian, while blatantly ignoring the words of your own God? |
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| the gift horse wrote: | | as for my identity, i don't actually know any of you. |
how does he know what our uniforms are made out of if he doesn't know us? how does he know that our school even has uniforms? pwned again. |
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I am Mario!
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Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:59 pm |
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Johnny doesn't know us, but he did use to wear our uniforms.
Plus he was brought up in a Christian home but has gone away from God, meaning he must have some reason which he thinks is valid. |
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clairey
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haha, as if Johnny would be on this forum...
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I am Mario!
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I know Johnny better than a lot of you... except maybe Penny but you know what i mean...
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| haha, i have a feeling he wouldn't be on this forum...or talk like the gift horse does/did. |
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| clairey wrote: | | I know Johnny better than a lot of you... except maybe Penny but you know what i mean... |
yeah, we know what you mean, if you know what i mean... |
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| Thats a funny game... |
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with all they hype about ol' mate N/A going on, i did a fair bit of reminiscing over what gifthorse did for the place... i've learnt alot of stuff since i last tried (yes, tried) to answer him, so i'm gonna try again. i'll try and go through every single point of his, and destroy them all in the name of Jesus.
starting with this one.
| gifthorse wrote: | | 2. In Matthew 22:29-30, Jesus says 'You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.' Now, where in the bible do we find the scriptures Jesus is talking about? You won't find them. In fact, the scriptures reffered to actually come from the Book of Enoch. Now for the interesting part, the Book of Enoch is not considered to be the word of God. So either Jesus was quoting in error, meaning he is not divine, or the bible is not infallible. Which is it? |
now, by my understanding, jesus was the divine logos, the living word. out of his mouth flowed divine truth. the prophecies recorded in scripture, are held to be inspired by God, also divine truth. prophecy (inspired messages) are not limited to a bunch of dead jews in the back to old testament, come to my church for long enough, you'll hear it first hand. modern christians evaluate and record prophecies, print them out, and refer to them just as they would scripture. it doesn't need to be two thousand years old to be true, to be inspired by God, and it doesn't need to be in the bible to be inspired by God. the book of enoch wasn't in the bible, that doesn't mean it (or even parts of it) was not divine prophecy.
| gifthorse wrote: | | If one is quoting with a definitive nature about spiritual matters (as is the case), then yes it does need to be the word of God to have any weight. |
prophecy = word of god, not necessarily written by a dead jew OR recorded in the bible.
there you have it, i think i've sorted that one, even though i disagree with this quotation... time and time again i've driven back satan not by quoting scripture, but by quoting Patton.
| Quote: | | So either Jesus was quoting in error, meaning he is not divine, or the bible is not infallible. Which is it? |
ladies, gentlemen, i present to you the third option, omitted until now: the argument, though appearing well built, eventually toppled like so many others. |
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