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Yes. I'm starting it.
How important (and why) do you think religion really is? Which religion is more on the mark? Why is Satanism wrong?
I personally don't think religion is that important although I can see how others can take it so. Religion has started most of the big wars through time. If not for Religion, would Palestine and Israel be fighting? Would America give a crap about the Middle East? Would certain entertainers (Marilyn Manson) be under such criticism? If religion wasn't around then none of this would happen.
But on the other side of the coin, people are like sheep. They need to be led or need to think they're life has a purpose. Some people fall back on religion in times of hard ship. Some people model their lives after their chosen religion.
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I have my own religion  Its called Alchemy if u wanna join my religion...msn or pm me
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I think religion is a pretense for ones security/faith. I think that every human being must believe in some sort of faith to move through life; some depend on faith of parents and friends, other believe in faith from a super-natural being such as Jesus/God, Buddah and other things such as Ying Yang.
Pretty much like the whole "Santa Clause" idea, us as children put our faith into Santa Clause in hope for miracles and presents etc. I think that this is similar to religion. But then again i'm the person that think religion is like a contageious virus... Hang around a certain bunch of people and BANG!!. |
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Sometimes yes....but sometimes things happen and people just assume that it must have been this "god" i myself have yet to find any evidence of any of this
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This isn't really an evidential aguement.... it's more faith.. I think.
As you all know i've lost quite a lot of family members in the past few years and often when I think back all i can remember doing is finding something to blame, Ultimately it ended up being 'God'. |
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For those who are Alchemists (Lukas) And those who are not...
This is, well kinda a long (short) explenation, on what Alchemy is. (Not the Alchemy based from FMA, But you see where everything forms from)
I for one, am an Alchemist. My alchemist name is The Shadow Alchemist. You can ask why another day. But yes, onto the explenation.
The common perception of alchemists is that they were pseudo-scientists, crackpots and charlatans, who attempted to turn lead into gold, believed that the universe was composed of the four elements of earth, air, fire, and water, and spent most of their time concocting miraculous remedies, poisons, and magic potions.
This picture is rather unfair. Although some alchemists were indeed crackpots and charlatans, most were well-meaning and intelligent scholars. These people in many ways served as innovators, and attempted to explore and investigate the nature of chemical substances and processes. They had to rely on experimentation, traditional know-how, rules of thumb — and speculative thought in their attempts to uncover the mysteries of the physical universe.
At the same time, it was clear to the alchemists that "something" was generally being conserved in chemical processes, even in the most dramatic changes of physical state and appearance; i.e. that substances contained some "principles" that could be hidden under many outer forms, and revealed by proper manipulation. Throughout the history of the discipline, alchemists struggled to understand the nature of these principles, and find some order and sense in the results of their chemical experiments — which were often undermined by impure or poorly characterized reagents, the lack of quantitative measurements, and confusing and inconsistent nomenclature.
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This is one of the many questions billions of people are always asking.
"If God loves everyone, why does he let bad things happen to us?"
Ok, I for one have lost alot of family members. More than half of my family is gone. The most painful one, was my Father. He sadly was killed in a car accident on the 21/10/05. This was the saddest time, for my whole family, and close friends of my father. But, I do not blame God. Because it all relates from free will. This doesnt make it anyones fault, because it was an accident, but my Father was killed because of his choices. (Dont take this the wrong way, at all.) He chose to drive at a certian time, he chose to drive up certain roads etc., and the same goes for the other person involved in the crash.
Well, if you have a bit of time I can kind of explain some answers. And please, I know this is really long, but please read it. I took my time in writing it for you.
It all goes back to Adam and Eve... After God created the world, he placed a Man. Then a Woman. He created sex, and everything else. These beings were pure, they had not one bit of sin in their bodies. Then the bitch Satan came along, and took the form of a serpant. He told them to eat fruit off the forbidden tree of knowledge, which God told Adam and Eve never to eat from.... Ok I know you all know the story, but shutup and read.
When they took the fruit and ate it, not knowing what the hell would happen...That was the first ever creation of Sin. They had disobeyed God, and were therefore shamed. They tried to hide. Lmao. Anyways, they were hiding because of their shame, for disobeying God.
Anyway, why the hell am I saying all this for?
The reason in that being is, God gave every single one of us a free will. Wich means, he cannot control ANYONES thoughts, actions and whatever. He could if he wanted to, but he doesn't.
Example, if someone was shot...and they died, God will can't prevent it, because he basically does not mess with free will. He gave it to us to keep, he won't just take it back. I mean would you like to be controlled like a robot? Have God making all the choices for you? I doubt it. Its a pretty impressive gift we got here. So back to the shooting, a person shot someone else for whatever reasons, that is his/her choice. Not anyone elses.
And for people saying there is no evidence of God? Are you bloody stupid? Do you not know what the Bible is? Another thing, you are all proberbly thinking that someone just made it all up...How on earth could anyone, I mean ANYONE possibly make up something so damn complex, so amazing...And so powerful? You tell me that. Besides, you people say there is no evidence of any of it occuring, is there any evidence of it not? People all over the world, have tried to prove the Bible wrong, and have either turned to christianity or just gave up. Google it.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:04 am |
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| That's pretty deep, though I can't feel a connection with an extra-ordinary spirital being, seems to far-fetched. |
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:08 am |
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Lol the connection isnt just there, you have to ask for it.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:32 am |
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And what about this Da Vinci code rubbish?
What is so damn compelling about this (I haven't seen or read). |
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:40 am |
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Ah, well apparently its crap. The movie, people said was so preditcible and the Da Vinchi Code big theological theory was that Jesus was married....How stupid and time wasting is that? 
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:42 am |
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I think where you can find the book in a library says it all.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:47 am |
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Ha, I agree 100 percent.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:51 am |
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I just downloaded the movie.
Time to make me some money!
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Rofl...Remember to give me my shares
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Haha, how does Christianity have evidence? There is a book... As stated in another thread that does not mean it's real. 
But yeah, (explained as simply as possible) it was started in a time when there were a lot of wars, and christianity/catholisism only started more wars.
It began as a way to control people and as jsutification for things people did ("lEik OmFg, ths g0d gy caem 2 my dreem n he tld me 2 k1ll sum ppl. leik how kewl is dat?").
Note censorship, christians are anti-everything, all nudity is inherently pornographic and anything they don't like is satanic. I wont get started on dinscrimination...
Modern times it has no use except to help people sleep better and is now far from useful.
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Honestly, it's almost as bad as nazism, trying to promote your own ideals with no proof to support it and no open mindedness. This might be a rant, but it pisses me off so much when I see them thinking there better then everyone!
Congratulations, you just relized how the christian religion works. Pissed? Welcome to the club!
Want to see what happens in open debate between christians and non-christians when claims need to be backed up? See origins and civil librities. (page 4-5 if your lazy, but you are welcome to read all of it |
Circular defence and closing your mind to change is how it works. I don't think any religion can stand up against a logical debate. Buhdism doesn't exactly fit the same category as most religions, so it's exempt from that claim.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:22 pm |
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I think we can use a court-like philosophy here.
Innocent till proven guilty.
If you can disprove any religion, please try to do so. |
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Pffft all you people...Follow me beyind the gate and we can all use alchemy the real way (the fma way) FullMetal knows what im on about
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Whenever Im in queensland next im going to punch each no christian in the face.
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There you Christians go again with your discrimination and Xenophobia... You fail at reality.
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| Just because the rest of you are less than 6ft and not tall (hahahha your arent tall enough for your head to be in the clouds.. hahah!) |
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:48 pm |
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Xenophobia?
Sounds like you're saying you're a homosexual.
Jokes aside...
It's one thing to not believe in Christianity, but it's another to put down the beliefs of others, unfoundedly.
I see no problem with asking legitimate questions about said religion, but simply bashing it is uncalled for. |
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No, i think it has something to do with ratiallity and believes... To wiki!
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Definitions of Xenophobia on the Web:
- fear or dislike of strangers or the unknown, often used to describe nationalistic political beliefs and movements
- intolerance of the unfamiliar.
- irrational fear of strangers.
- unreasonable hatred or fear of foreigners.
- fear or hatred of foreigners or of those who are different
- a fear of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
- literally means fear of strangers. It is a form of prejudice.
- Fear and loathing or hatred of strangers. Often applied to members of other races, ethnic groups or nationalities.
- hatred and fear of foreigners or members of some ethnic group other than one's own.
- an irrational fear of foreigners or strangers
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
- Xenophobia denotes a phobic attitude towards strangers or of the unknown and comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "foreigner", "stranger", and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear".The term is typically used to describe fear or dislike of foreigners, but racism in general is sometimes described as a form of xenophobia. In science fiction, it has come to mean 'fear of extraterrestrial things. ...
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Who's to say I am christian? And your wrong. I am not descrminating anyone. Did I say you cannot be apart of christianity? Nope. Did I say anything about you not being a part of anything? I believe thats what descrimination is mainly about. All I said was I will punch you in the face. Thats just a simple emotion. No descrimination about it. Actually there is to tell the truth. I don't like faggots  So yes, *sigh* I guess I am discriminating you. Ah well, I am still looking forward to breaking your nose 
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Hence the mention of the Christian intolerance cliche, kind of sad really...
And no i'm not gay.
And Adam, also a phobia of change.
To Chris, I was told I was being controlled by the devil yesterday. Beliefs are fine, but forcing them onto other people (censorship etc.) and them being a major cause of discrimination really doesn't make it ok...
There are christians that aren't like that (or not as much publicly at least...) and they're fine.
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Fred... Can I ask you a question.. pitty that I will ask anyway 
Ok.. You may hate Christians, because we are hypocrites (many of us) of the Bible and Christianity.. But, seeing as though you are an athiests. And maybe you hate Jesus.. Why do you hate Him? Have you ever met Jesus in the flesh? Have you talked to Him? See thats why I am annoyed with many Christ haters... they hate Christ because they hate us Christians, and never met Christ... That is no real reason to hate Christ...
Here are some lyrics I made:
It's called Why?
You hate Him, because of us
You never knew Him personally
And yet you hate Him, because of us
It's not like He hurt you
It's not like He sinned
Why?
You say he doesnt exist and yet you hate Him
You blame Him for the downfall of your life
And you don't applaud Him when you life is going right
You hate him with a passion without knowing Him or seeing Him
He is the centre of time, and yet you don't believe He exists
You hate Him because of us
Why?
He didn't do anything to hurt you
And yet you curse His name everyday and night
You curse Him, and yet to you He doesn't exist
You judge Him, and yet you have no right
You blame Him for the darkness, and yet He is Light
Why?
Blood seeped through His body for you for people to see
And yet you cannot see the Light
You try and kill us because you hate Him
And yet you don't think he exists
You deliberatly live a life that is against Him
And yet you don't beleive He is real
Why?
You see how much your thoughts and actions are contradictions
You blame Him for the bad, and no grattidude for the good
Why do you live by these thoughts?
Why don't you see the hypocrisy of your thoughts
Why don't you see the Light
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| Ads wrote: | This isn't really an evidential aguement.... it's more faith.. I think.
As you all know i've lost quite a lot of family members in the past few years and often when I think back all i can remember doing is finding something to blame, Ultimately it ended up being 'God'. |
Yeah, that does suck I know.. Deepest sorrow for you..
How about this for a wrap up aye..
My Wrap up on religion as a whole:
Well religion has a lot of different meanings to a lot of different people.
There are people that obviously want to find “enlightenment”, and happiness. Such as the people that do the whole Yoga and that sort of thing, want to find happiness and enlightenment.
There are also people that, use the whole “religion” thing to do very stupid and very inhumane things, such as Adolf Hitler back in World War II, he used the whole religion thing to commit one of the most criminal acts ever... He claimed to be Catholic. Another thing I should mention, Hitler wanted a German only world, he wanted to make a Super nation. Adolf Hitler was Austrian. He also wanted to eliminate all people that werent higher and 6ft high and didn’t have blonde hair. He was 5ft 8 and had brown hair.
The whole Cronulla race riots were in some way or other based on religion. The September 11 Terrorist attacks were also based on religion. When Richard the Lion heart took on Saladin (an old Muslim general) back all those years ago (In other words The Crusades). They were in other words committed horrific crimes. They tried to use the “religion” banner to someway justify the crap they caused. No, I am not discriminating the Muslims, some of the most of the most violent things were committed by people that claimed to be Christian but clearly weren’t (maybe that’s why many people hate Christians). Either way, no matter what religion you are, if you commit hate crimes, you are clearly going against your religion. Which goes to show that they arent committed to their faith. Those people shouldn’t be used as role models for their faith, and the public to see.
Many people use the whole religion thing as a way to be different. Especially teenagers. Many teens are against the whole religion concept. So people turn to religion to be different. Just like back in the 1980’s people claimed to be a devil worshipper, but weren’t, they said it to be different, and to have publicity. Just like KISS, and old school death metal band Venom, they both claimed to be devil worshippers, but weren’t. They both used the whole Satan thing for publicity. Also the lead singer of old school metal band Slayer (a “satan” band). The singer is allegedly a Catholic.
Religion is also used as a way to sell thing, a way to make money and publicity. Both of Christianity and Islam, no matter what religion, there are those people that are stupid and want to make money, it’s either to make money, or to drag a religion down for no reason at all. The Islamic terrorists are currently doing it for the Muslims, and Dan Brown is doing it for the Christians, with his book The Da Vinci Code book and movie (no he isn’t a Christian). He made a whole movie and book on unknown facts and figures and poor research. And has made a wad load of money out of it
But again there also those people that use the whole religion thing to somehow get their life back on track.
Either way. What ever religion/ faith you follow, be sure to follow it correctly, and don’t be a hypocrite like many before you. That’s my wrap up.
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| I do find it pretty funny that the whole Anglican and Church Of England religions (and i think most of the Christianity sub-branches) have spawned of Catholicism simply because some fella (King Henry VIII) wanted to off his wife. |
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