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dosthecat
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:21 pm |
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you said, outright,
| Quote: | | and we can not pray for God to bring them back together, because if he doesn't then the quote "God, why didn't you answer my prayers when I wanted him back" will certainly come up. |
i pray, i get dissappointed, i pray some more.
| Quote: | | I can't pray for that Eliza. It sounds really harsh I know. But if it is not in God's will then I can't really do anything. |
this is forgetting that the issue, as a result of free will, does not lie in god's hands, rather it is between shane and eliza. if either party, or both, don't want to be together, then god is unable to force it.
| Quote: | | you cannot know the will of God but by His revelation. |
i think that rather than arguing, i suggest that the two involved seek His voice on this issue, and seek it objectively knowing he is the pinnacle of wisdom and of love.
edit: lastly, i'd like to apologise to shane and eliza for talking about you rather than to you, and for any trouble this has caused. from my perspective, it has been more an discussion of doctrine rather than one of the actual issue...
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Wilkins
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:25 pm |
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Hmmmmm.... I guess your right. It is the free will..
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:56 pm |
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| Quote: | Ever felt like you have been let down by God, Ben? Ever prayed really hard for something that you really wanted (that was in your best wishes) and never received it? Ever wanted it so hard, but never got it?
If you did this, and never got what you "wanted", did you blame God for it, even more or less go "God, why didn't you give me what I wanted?".
A thing you must understand is that something you really want or think you need, is perhaps is not what God tells you, that you need. Or if it is happens that God wants you to have it, it may not be in your timing, but His. That is what we often call faith and accepting that God has your interest at hand.
Basically what I am saying is that, praying that God moves in a certain situation is a lot better than praying for a certain something that YOU want and not end up getting it because it is not what God wants.
It may not be God's will for Eliza and Shane to get back together (sounds harsh, sorry), and we can not pray for God to bring them back together, because if he doesn't then the quote "God, why didn't you answer my prayers when I wanted him back" will certainly come up. |
Big errors.
That's questioning faith altogether.
If its not right then it won't happen. But then we can simply pray that things won't get to ugly, or turnout so bad, or in general pray for the situation to improve.
Maybe they are meant you just never know.
Asking for help isn't a want. Two completely different things. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:00 pm |
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Bloody hell boys, cut it out.
I just asked one thing, I didn't mean for it to be fought over.
If you want to pray for it, pray for it. If you don't, that's your choice. There's no need for your two cents on the matter.
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:18 pm |
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Hey guys dont argue over something that should be happy 
If you are going to pray then just ask for whats meant to be done to be done. Prayer is something positive so lets keep it that way
But thanks guys, for the prayer for the knee, whats happening now and whatever else everyones helped with. Don't know what Id do without you guys!
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without me u'd be without sexual activity.  |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:20 pm |
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So true 
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| Just imagine what happens when I takeover the world. |
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Ben scented condoms.
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Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:54 pm |
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Bahaha! Smells like Aldi cola? 
And as for the Free Will etc... I think we were talking about two different subjects
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Ok this is pretty hardcore stuff...
As we speak, mum and dad are going to Booval, looking at a house for us to buy and settle into (inheriting for their children's children). It is a very convenient place for everybody, school, work, shopping, youth, Aldi.
I ask that all you pray for my family and that God's will be done in this situation. And if we are to get this house, let us be happy, or if we dont, let us be happy.
Thanks
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Sat May 05, 2007 11:41 am |
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| Jr W wrote: | | Ben scented condoms. |
In Happy Meals? |
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Sat May 05, 2007 5:04 pm |
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| that's great to hear, wilkins... but yeah, i hope that works out. |
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*notices Elliots post count 1337 *
Anywhos... We are not moving to Boovle etc... Mum and dad are buying the place we are in.
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Sat May 05, 2007 11:10 pm |
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Dammit, i was hoping that you'd get that house, it would of been awesome with you living so close.
But everything happens for a reason so it'll all be for the best Even if you did get a dog
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| People who were at youth will already know this, but I'm looking for a bass guitar (electric, none of that acoustic stuff )... keep it in mind, hopefully I can find a good one second hand or something. |
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Sat May 12, 2007 2:46 pm |
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I need prayer..
Just for doubt. All this doubt is creeping its way into my brain, and it's not cool!! Vicki pretty much nailed me with the disappointment thing last night. I feel terrible too.
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Nah, it's fine Penny, it happens to the best of us, what is good is that you're asking for help with it.
On a bit of a happier note...
I GOT MY BASS!
I'll upload pics into Music once I get some photos of it. Although now I'm asking that you guys pray that I can persevere with this and make something of it (unlike my keyboard that went no where). |
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Sun May 13, 2007 8:08 am |
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we've all heard it before... that one about knocking and the door will be opened or something? basically, you ask for something, and it's god's will for you to have it, you have it.
the problem then lies in yourself. in the devil's lies, "penny, you don't have the gift of speaking in tongues, you don't have enough faith, enough desire, you don't deserve it, maybe you don't even want it that bad anyway."
those are the ones i heard. those are the ones i smashed. (god smashed?)
if you've asked, god has given it. you just need to take the authority of scripture and use it against those lies, then they'll fade away into history. |
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Sun May 13, 2007 1:21 pm |
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You know what? That is exactly it.
Satan infects your mind with such lies, because he is (to be quite frank) shit scared of you Penny. He doesn;t want you to hold the power that can destroy him. He will try the best he can to hold you back from the power that will kill him. Once you figure out what he is trying to do, stop it so. He is a gonner.
Don't believe the crap that is coming in your head. Take grasp of the power then take grasp of Satan's neck and smack him around the face a couple of times
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| I'm not sure I can do it by myself.. but I am trying. I am. |
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That's why I am praying too..
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| thanks. |
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Y'know Wilkins that was almost propaganda there. This spiritual warfare anti-satan stuff just seems like psychological propaganda.
Just an observation.
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| yeah, wanting to cut down satan can throw you off track a bit... it should be about serving god, really, but sometimes stuff gets in the way, and when it does, it's clobberin' time. |
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Sun May 13, 2007 9:28 pm |
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Nah I'm meaning like the whole idea is just psychological propaganda. Kinda like Hitler.
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| its clobbering time NOCH! |
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Sun May 13, 2007 9:34 pm |
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yeah, though you can only wonder why the idea is appealing. good vs evil and such, it's gotta come from somewhere...
spiritual warfare, demonic attack, etc, is mentioned in islamic scripture. their adam and eve, fall of man story is kind of similar to ours, though in many ways more explicit... |
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Lillith ftw.
Wiki it baby.
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| your point? |
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