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"Leviticus 19:19 - Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee."
Oh no, what will we do with our polyester and cotton now?
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ladies, the reason yeshua came was to fulfill all of the laws of the old testament. nobody's perfect, otherwise why would we even need a saviour? how about an eye for an eye? that, in the days of moses, was pretty much taken literally. not even jews do that anymore. now about sex, that's fine if you only ever do it with one person your whole life, or until that person dies or commits adultery, otherwise you become an adulterer.
now why do you think preachers don't refer to the old testament as much as the new? becasuse christ's blood fullfilled it, made it irrelevant. see, i think the old testament says something about casting out (into the wilderness) those with visual defects. i'm short sighted. |
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| oh yeah, thanks for the help there shane, but hey, the reason this thread's here is for folks to ask questions. reckon i've handled them pretty well so far, and i didn't even need to do a cut and paste job. |
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I have a question.
What does it truely mean to be a Christian.
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That you're in a relationship with God?
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Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:29 pm |
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| Jr W wrote: | "Leviticus 19:19 - Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee."
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...and the trap springs shut. You have just demonstrated that the understanding one has of such matters comes not from God, but from the particular interpretation of the translator. The bible is not the word of God that was declared thousands of years ago, no, the bible is one translator's interpretation of another translator's opinion.
| Quote: | | nobody's perfect, otherwise why would we even need a saviour? |
Are you not required to repent your sins before they can be forgiven? I hardly see how sticking one's nose in the air and declaring one's imperfections, while proceeding to continue on in sin without making the highest effort you could to change can possibly count as repenting.
You are the pharisee, standing on the street corner, shouting out the crimes of your neighbours for the world to see, all the while conveniently ignoring pieces of your own holy text that may be a bit inconvenient to follow.
| Quote: | | now about sex, that's fine if you only ever do it with one person your whole life, or until that person dies or commits adultery, otherwise you become an adulterer. |
I'm looking for biblical quotes, not crude rhetoric.
hint: If you look up the word adultery, you will find it applies to the specific case where one or both of the participants are married to another person.
| Quote: | | now why do you think preachers don't refer to the old testament as much as the new? becasuse christ's blood fullfilled it, made it irrelevant. |
Your views are taken by only a minority of christians. Very few of your peers declare the entire old testament void (why don't you look it up?). Do you wish to rephrase yourself?
| Quote: | | reckon i've handled them pretty well so far |
Quite. Despite your blatant ignoring of my questions 1,2 and 4 and your half-assed answer to 3. 
| Quote: | | i didn't even need to do a cut and paste job. |
A typical logical fallacy. Even if it were cut&paste (which it is not), this has absolutely no bearing on the arguments presented. I suspect you were unable to provide satisfactary answers so you simply used this line of reasoning to support your own cognitive dissonance.
By the way, I have two more questions.
7. If you were shown an absolute disproof of your religious beliefs, would you continue to believe them?
8. If God is all-powerful, then how is it that he can not give free-will to humanity without suffering? |
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| Quote: | | 7. If you were shown an absolute disproof of your religious beliefs, would you continue to believe them? |
That can't happen with Christianity. No one has ever proved the Bible to be wrong. People have written about it .
| Quote: | | 8. If God is all-powerful, then how is it that he can not give free-will to humanity without suffering? |
Then that wouldn't be free will.
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Scientists over time have tried to show flaws in the Bible, but they have actually helped our case more then their own.
| Quote: | | If you were shown an absolute disproof of your religious beliefs, would you continue to believe them? |
This question swings both ways. If you were to find out and see that Christianity is indeed true. Would you stop being ignorant, and would you change your beliefs? No you wouldnt. Why? cause you seem to be pretty arrogant too.
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| the gift horse wrote: | | Are you not required to repent your sins before they can be forgiven? I hardly see how sticking one's nose in the air and declaring one's imperfections, while proceeding to continue on in sin without making the highest effort you could to change can possibly count as repenting. |
Ahh. Thats why it's called humbling yourself before God. Confess your sins to Him. Legitamitly meaning that you are sorry for what you have done, and asking for forgivness. And actually try to change your ways. People that "stick their nose up in the air" are obviously really stupid, and really did not mean when they have asked for forgivness
| the gift horse wrote: | | You are the pharisee, standing on the street corner, shouting out the crimes of your neighbours for the world to see, all the while conveniently ignoring pieces of your own holy text that may be a bit inconvenient to follow. |
And you sir are the dog that returns to his vomit. Repeatedly judging us and saying that we are "pharisees". You know what man? I really do feel sorry for you. Because I bet you have not even bothered to pick up the Bible and read it FOR YOURSELF! What you said about the Bible and its interpretations and opinions etc. That also goes for you and the crap you read on the internet, that's all a persons interpretation and opinion of the Bible, and you founded your beliefs on somebody elses opinion and made them as your own. Which is quite hypocritical isnt it? Condeming us for that, and yet you do it yourself..
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oh i thought he did  shows how much i know him...i have only known him hmmm most of my life cus of church but yeah |
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Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:37 pm |
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| Quote: | | If you were shown an absolute disproof of your religious beliefs, would you continue to believe them? |
This question swings both ways. If you were to find out and see that Christianity is indeed true. Would you stop being ignorant, and would you change your beliefs? No you wouldnt. Why? cause you seem to be pretty arrogant too. |
Wilkins wins! All of those posts are pure gold Wilkins, mr thoih.
But to be slightly more serious, this is not my place to answer the questions given as dosthecat has lightheartedly 'suggested'  but i can still spam this half breathing thread with my always ignored point of views
I did a CIA identity check and ive learnt about you mr 'gift horse' I have discovered your real name is in fact not gift horse. That is all.
All I have to ask is what are your real motives for coming onto a forum run by and occupied by nothing but teenagers? Not just that, but the fact that your two and only posts have been in the religion forum looking for a fight. This is supposed to be a thread where people ask religious questions and they are helped out by getting answers.
Sure theres been questions asked, but why do you ask a question when you 'believe' that you already know the answer. If its to show how 'misguided and blind' we really are... You honestly cant expect to come into a religion forum, question everything and belive us to listen to you. This is not ignorance, this is a reality check.
Or maybe this all a game to you to feed an ego
| Quote: | | ...and the trap springs shut. |
With stuff like that it wouldn't be a surprise.
No, ive changed my tune! I'm a changed man! I agree with you! Every single thing you've ever said and will ever say! You are by far the most intelligent man i have ever had the privilege of being online with and i 100% agree with everything you have just said. Hail gifthorse!
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| debbie wrote: | | the gift horse - danny? |
My brother?? If thats who your talking about, its not him. i secretly glance at what he does on the computer - totse and wikipedia. |
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And we end the conversation with a big ole Jab It In Ya!
Next question, what do you do when you can't stop sinning?
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The song 'Don't stop until you get enough' just came into my head then...
To answer Chris' question you wait until capt dos and other long name man answers the questions before yours. But meh, thia ia the religion forum! We can do anything we like! *gets spraypaint*
And to answer Chris' question ....
| Quote: | | Next question, what do you do when you can't stop sinning? |
You get an anti-sin nicorete patch. Either that or go cold turkey. Or Burkey
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paraphrasing this not only reduce the read, but to highlight my perspectives.
| the gift horse wrote: | some questions.
1. about public prayer: ...for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men.
2. [about the book of enoch] either Jesus was quoting in error, meaning he is not divine, or the bible is not infallible. Which is it?
3. Can you show me a place in the bible where sex between two consenting, unmarried persons is said to be a sin?
4. How do you reconcile your own large number of material possesions with Matthew 19:21
5. Can you show me a place in the bible where Jesus claims to be God...?
hint: the terms christ and messiah do not imply divinity, they translate to 'annointed one.' Even the messiah was never prophesised to be divine.
6. 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.' How can you call yourself christian, while blatantly ignoring the words of your own God? |
first question: this is just grade three reading-comprehension. why do the hypocrites pray in the synagogues and on the street corners? To be seen by men. when you pray for no other reason than to be seen by men, then you are a hypocrite. on assembly, if they pray only to be seen by the people of the assembly, then, well...
second question: DOES the book of enoch need to be the word of God to be true? are all words other than those found in the bible false? what about descartes: i think, therefore i am. sounds pretty true to me.
third. i don't give a damn, couldn't be bothered going over every single page in the bible just to prove you wrong. go on fornicating, but if anyone wants to get all religious legalism on us, you have plenty of other rules follow first. like love the Lord your God.
fourth question, this is my favourite. the most costly material possession i own is my violin at a cool $4000. next to that, everything else i own is dirt. most of my clothes used to be my father's, or grandfathers, or bought at LIFELINE (i heart my 50c jeans). then there are those things that don't belong to me, but i use anyway, such as the TV, computer, stereo. I don't have authority under the law of this country to sell those, otherwise i would. now about that violin. i intend to use it later in my life to glorify god, to spread his word, and i have used it for that purpose as late as two weeks ago, which is pretty good considering that i generally make a point out of practicing alone. the strangest thing is that i don't even avoid material possessions becuse christ said so, but so that people will think i am poor. the advantage of this is that shallow people try to avoid me, if not insult me. when people slander me, it's like water off a duck's back. just doesn't affect me. compare that to being friends with a shallow person for years and then getting stabbed in the back.
fifth question. i'll have to actually get my bible for this, you bastard! make me get up would you... first of all, "only god is good!" christ had a pretty good record for humility, which is why he said this, out of humility. he also did this to glorify his Father. luke 3:38, adam was the son of god. fast forward from adam and eve about four thousand years, and we have mary, a daughter of adam. Mary, who was made in god's image concieves with god, and hey! we get god! put a german shepherd with another german shepherd, and wow, you get another german shepherd. *
sixth question. i already said. nobody's perfect. can't remember whereabouts in the bible, but anyway. "all men have sinned. all have fallen short of God's glory" it is not HUMANLY (get that, humanly!) possible to obey every single one of the laws of moses, let alone the commands given by the prophets and jesus. hell, love thy neighbour is hard enough to live by as it is! hey, i respect anyone who throws out all their fabric-blended clothes out of religious zeal, but christ already died for that. the debt HAS BEEN PAID with his blood.
fred, or whoever you are, you had my respect until you went and called me names. maybe you should get to know who you're talking to (not to mention about) before you go categorising them, calling them pharisees or materialists or whatever.
*i think there's a flaw in my logic there. oh shit, i just ACKNOWLEDGED another one of my faults! well, there goes my career as a pharisee! just thought i'd point out my own problem there, instead of gift horse (side: is that a play on trojan, beware of greeks bearing gifts?) pointing it out for me using the most sensational phrasing he can think of.
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about that absolute disproof of my religion that you're so eager to locate, it would need to be absolute before i changed anything.
i'm proud of my huge post, even if it is huge. mr gift horse, i hope you've learned that:
a) christianity will not be disproved any time soon; and
b) truth does not only exist in scripture.
just to send that last point home, let's have some pythagoras' theorem. In any right angled triangle, the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides. truth? you decide. (now is when you go on a raging quest to disprove pythagoras' theorem instead of being on a raging quest to disprove the bible, christianity, and faith in general)
oh yeah, fred, if that's you, i'll be happy to talk to you in person. maybe we can work out whatever bothers you about christianity... or you can just bottle it all up. |
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...thats why i like maths...it makes perfect sense: either right or wrong...
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Double Post!
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I congratulate on that post because it actually made sense, but something in there made me lol. I think it was the Lifeline reference...
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| Gosh elliot... why not do a longer post next time lol |
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| Ads wrote: | | I congratulate on that post because it actually made sense, but something in there made me lol. I think it was the Lifeline reference... |
I shop at Lifeline...they have the most 'unique' clothing My $1.50 pink-yellow-orange-flowery vest is finally coming to the end of its time...its barely holding together 
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| i got a tartan skirt from the salvo shop - lol i get a discount - but yeh it was for my coustume as william wallace!@ |
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