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Kung-Fu
Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 997 Location: Eliza lives places.
Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:40 pm |
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HAHAHAHA.
Isn't he great? _________________
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dosthecat
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 2111 Location: Ippie, QLD
Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:07 am |
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there was good praisenjeezus in the leadup to midnight, while the rest of you bufoons were watching your silly movie.
in the cry room, it was just me and norman at first, and it was praisenjeezus lotsly, but then neilsen and jess came in too, so it was praisenjeezus even worser.
probably the second best batch i've ever had, and there were only four of us and a teeny amp. |
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LastElf
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 482 Location: Boovle
Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:36 am |
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That teeny amp wasn't even turned up too loud
I agree with Elliot, the crèche before midnight while Shanghai Nights was on was very amazing, I didn't want to finish.
Then later that night after Vicki told us to shup, I put Hillsong London on and started singing morely, then I got into a praying mood, and then a what the heck am I seeing mood... That was rather confusing.
All in all a very good night. |
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dosthecat
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 2111 Location: Ippie, QLD
Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:25 pm |
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youth at ripley, i'd recommend it.
the songs were a bit hard to follow, with drums turned up too loud, and an almost incompetent drummer to boot, but if you can get past that it's about as good as vision. nice people.
nice. |
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dosthecat
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 2111 Location: Ippie, QLD
Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:56 pm |
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a chap named dave from ripley youth rang me up and said they're trying to organise it so all the youth groups in ipswich can go up to YA in september on a single train, which sounds pret-ty spiffy to me, despite my irrational fear of large numbers of people. |
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M!LKY
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 71 Location: Bundamba
Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:02 pm |
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Yeah Dave is pretty cool, I mean, he is my brother. Anyway, last night I gave your youth all the information about the train. I'm not sure who will have it, but all the detail are on it! |
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Mr Mittens Moderator
Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1500 Location: Ireland
Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:22 pm |
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Tonight has been a good night, I was worried about how it would go due to the smallish numbers but it turned out being one of my favourite nights in the 5ish years I've been there. Dodgeball is awesome. Neilson, your request for one more song just made the night complete...
Another thing - I've seen you and Jess together about... 4 times? I know very little about the relationship and I can only judge from what I see with the outward appearences. Some people might say things to tease you two and some might say it because they feel inadequate about their own relationships or whatever... But you two belong together. I honestly think that what you two have at the moment is a very, very good thing. The heart is in the right place and I know that you can be trusted to look after her. Good job Elfy, you've got a great relationship going at the moment and thats a rare thing these days. _________________ You used to be like my twin |
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LastElf
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 482 Location: Boovle
Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:45 pm |
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Thanks Shane, means a lot to hear that.
About youth... that was the best Saturday I've had in ages (since the YA weekend, sleepover not withstanding) and it was amazing having Jess there as well, especially at the end. That's the one thing I miss on Saturdays as well... The songs seem half-done. I guess I want a youth like Ryan's where it's about Him, without games and all that, just about Him.
Dwyer - I know you won't see this, but I want to say it anyway. During Hear These Praises, I just wanted to go up and give you a big hug. I saw you there, eyes close arm raised and I saw the emotion in your face, it was amazing. I'd love to see you grow more, to the point where you won't care if Candace is around or not and just do your thing. |
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Wilkins Moderator
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 3452 Location: What?
Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:07 pm |
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Well, it seems I was given a date as when to preach. This friday is when it is going to take place. Whatever, just come and learn something...
No, it's not the message that you've half heard me talk about... But it's important nonetheless.. _________________
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Mr Mittens Moderator
Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1500 Location: Ireland
Sun Aug 26, 2007 4:56 pm |
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I look forward to it
Vicki is really looking forward to this, she wants you to finish what you were writing it though, she doesnt want you to just do what you've done so far. She means that in the nicest way though... thats just Vicki explaining things
Anddd Dad read it and really liked it as well. So this is going to be good _________________ You used to be like my twin |
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Kung-Fu
Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 997 Location: Eliza lives places.
Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:42 pm |
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I probably won't be there, sorry. _________________
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Stevo
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Only hole above ground
Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:56 pm |
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Thanks guys for saying that youth was one of the best in awhile. I know youth has been a bit of a let down in previous months, but as you all know we (the leaders) are all still learning on what makes you guys tick. It's sort of demoralising when we hear that "youth was boring last night" or "what happened to the good youth days" cos we work hard and some ideas just don't get off the ground, and we understand that, but yeah... Anyway we're glad you guys had fun and all that.
For the record, Neilsen, the reason we haven't got a youth group like ryan's, with just singing is cos we already have that on a thursday night. Saturday youth is not a P&W night since our main goal is to bring more kids into the group, and if we have just song times it will make them feel awkward and they probably won't return. You may of noticed that we decreased the songs last night from 5 to 4 songs. If you feel songs are half done, stiff, cos we aren't gonna change it. Personally I'm sick of some hearing from some that Saturday youth should be more like thursday youth. A few have said to me that they feel awkward on Saturdays because of the song times affect on the newcomers. They can sense that they feel left out and therefore feel awkward. Saturday's will NEVER become like thursday's while we're still leading. Surely you can understand the logic behind our decision.
Furthermore what shane said about you and jess, i completely agree. You two are so cute together, you got a good thing going there, congrats. Just remember the 30 cm rule . |
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That Guy
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 821
Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:59 pm |
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gahh !!! waa i cant be there on fridays ive never been to a friday ive got bb on well im sure you could give me a personal preach _________________
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LastElf
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 482 Location: Boovle
Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:22 pm |
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Yes Stevie, I know the full reason why Saturdays is the way it is, and it's fine that it's for the newbies. The only reason I want it more like Thursday (As such, not so much about the 1 1/2 hours of music) is because of the longing I have for more of Him, and I'm sure others do as well, as they've asked. It's also why a couple of us have been going to more than just Vision (Pring St church, CDC, Elliott at Ripley) is because we want more and we can't really find it here.
I'll always call Vision home, I just want more out of it than sore legs. Maybe now that Vicki's on the mend we'll get more than just music and prayer on Thursday.
I never meant any offence to any of the leaders if you took it that way, I just want to grow more. |
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That Guy
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 821
Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:27 pm |
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lols the only few days im not with him is mon tues wed all the other im at youth or bb or church and sometimes church 2 times _________________
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dosthecat
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 2111 Location: Ippie, QLD
Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:57 pm |
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i pretty much agree with stevie, saturday night needs to be more of a 'social' thing, whereas in my opinion there ought to be a longer message on a thursday night, with maybe only 7-10 songs instead of 14 or whatever. maybe we could set it up so that there's an optional hour or so before 7:00, i dunno.
but i think there needs to be stronger, fuller messages on thursday night, because to be honest, those bible study things they've had us on haven't really taught me anything i didn't learn in preschool. agree with neilsen, i think it'll be a long time before i start calling another church my family, but we need to have something solid that we can grow on, otherwise the worship, the prayer times and all the rest just stagnates. that's my two cents.
edit: i think we should all throw something in here, because we need to make decisions as a group, and i don't want anyone important to miss on on their say. |
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LastElf
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 482 Location: Boovle
Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:17 pm |
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I let Penny in on what was going on, this is what she had to say:
Penny wrote: | This kind of stuff was the only thing actually keeping me on this forum, but anyway onto business. I'm actually rather content with what happens on Thursday nights.. go ahead and shoot me, but I am. I find that it's one of the only things keeping me sane. I could be having the worst day, feeling like crap, bawling my eyes out.. but I come and then usually I get at least a taste of what I'm what I'm looking for, which is at least able to keep me going until the next time I can worship. I agree with Vicki on Saturday nights, if we fill it up with praise and worship and words, no one is going to come.. therefore we don't see any smack-bang saving-ness-ed (that is totally a word). Saturday nights is for them to get a taste of it, not a whole bowlful shoved in their mouth.
But whatever, I'm fine doing anything... which really defeats the point of me saying all this, but anyways... yeah. |
Now I'll say again so no one gets the wrong idea, I do know why we have Saturdays and I'm not REALLY asking to change that, I just want more leeway for the spirit on Thursdays and a night where we learn something.
Anyway, just posting for Penny, continue.
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Mr Mittens Moderator
Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1500 Location: Ireland
Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:18 pm |
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Thursday night bible things... I leave them feeling confused about everything, so I don't like those ones as much :S
Maybe we can use that time for scripture stuff? _________________ You used to be like my twin |
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Stevo
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Only hole above ground
Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:02 am |
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Good ideas guys, I'll see what I can do.
I don't know how thoih works, but I was wondering (this may be silly) are you able to restrict certain people to certain areas on thoih, cos i think it would be a good idea to let vicki read this thread cos it is insightful and helps us understand where it is that some of you want to go.
Saying that though, youth is a dictatorship in some areas, yet still a democracy in others. While a few may want more out of Thursdays, some of us, as Penny unintentionally posted, are content with Thursdays as they are. Therefore unfortunately we cant change the format for a few. Yet, I'm sure if a few more of the "thursday" youth posted their ideas in here it would be helpful.
For the record, Neilsen I wasn't having a go at you, or anyone else for that matter, it was just a bit of exasperation at having to answer the same argument that seems to crop up every now and again.
Again, for the record, I don't want to change the format of this thread but if any of you guys and girls out there have any ideas that could make youth "better" post it and don't think about what the others think about it. Cos someones idea may spark someone elses and then so on and so on. Don't feel dejected if some ideas are not used, cos we'll take all of them under advisement.
Thanks guys, look forward to any ideas!! |
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dosthecat
Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 2111 Location: Ippie, QLD
Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:00 pm |
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Penny wrote: | But whatever, I'm fine doing anything... |
Quote: | Therefore unfortunately we cant change the format for a few. |
i can't see why we shouldn't have something abit more educational than us all laughing at what they're doing now, those silly bible study things.
you say it's disappointing to hear negative feedback, and here we're giving constructive criticism when it's just as easy for me to find somewhere else. i can't see why anyone would object if what i'm putting forward (more meat in the thursday night messages) is put into action.
like i said before, this is my reasoning: without solid scriptural teaching the worship, prayer time and eventually the whole of thursday night will just stagnate. but that's my opinion. |
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Mr Mittens Moderator
Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1500 Location: Ireland
Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:24 pm |
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I am seriously lost here at the moment, im not sure if its everyone misinterpretting posts and seeing arguments or I'm misinterpretting arguments and seeing posts...
But anyways the only change that I'd like to see is the thursday night bible educational thingies. After the discussion about the scenario given I always walk away feeling more confused then before... So thats all I have. I like the 'outings' to normal saturday night youth ratio at the moment, it gives us lots of opportunity to bring in new people (even though no one is but thats beside the point lol)
So my only request is to rethink the thursday night non-song time. _________________ You used to be like my twin
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LastElf
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 482 Location: Boovle
Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:39 pm |
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^^ QFT |
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That Guy
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 821
Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:03 pm |
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what robbie said ages ago wrote: |
but anyways this is a bit off topic.one of the things with youth is that i think the youth group is pushing people away i mean when i started going no one spoke in tongues or anything and i still felt a little weirded out just by some of the song n stuff but now i think its a bit too full on i was talking to one of my friends from boys brigade and told hima bit about it .i mean sure hes a christian but he dosnt know what laying of hands or tongues are and he didnt want to come because its too full on even on a ssaturday for those people. me personlly now think its great but if we want new people to come on a saturday we need to i donno make it a little bit less full on cuz some of the stuff still freaks me out a bit.
so yeh i donno but thats just how i feel about the whole thing ... |
yeh n stuff ive talked to steven about that a while ago . if we do want it to grow and let more people in i thnk we do need to make it more of a social thing but also give it some leeway i dont know but i think there should be the prayer meeting and something afterwards for the thursday people n stuff or sometihng
im not sure i wasent listened to then i dont think i should be listened to now im insane and crazy *quick somebody post something else so mine looks less stupid and they read yours !* _________________
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Ads gtfo - cc
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 3778 Location: Wherever the voices tell me.
Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:50 pm |
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Its whatever people want to make it out to be, isn't that right? If some people want to go "hard-out" with praise and worship, I think people should do that, if thats is what THEY want. I used to see youth as a social outing, it was great coming on the weekend to catch up with you guys. But, as for the Christ side of things, I find that going to church is a much better place to be learning things. From my understanding, and Pring Street Pastor's understanding, going to youth is the first baby step.
So, as Steve has said it's going to stay like that, and I think thats a great idea. It's like open days for universities and schools and what not, you get your sample of it, but its never the "real deal". I liked going to youth, it was great, I didn't see it as a 'religious' environment, etc, etc. It's great. However, taking the next step to church, I really liked.
Church/youth are almost on each end of the scales, I like both. However, I prefer church when it comes to Christ "stuff". Simply, because thats what church is based on, rather than a social outing. So, i think you should reconsider (Robbie) what you just said, let people do what they want (within boundaries) and let the leaders determine what they think is the best things to be doing. Because, face it...it wouldnt be A) possible without them and B) so great without them..
They're doing their best, let them keep going, dont try and put a blockade up. _________________
♥ yσυ fσґєvєґ вãвy
Burn the Wich!
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Kung-Fu
Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 997 Location: Eliza lives places.
Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:08 am |
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I quite agree with Adam, actually. _________________
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Stevo
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Only hole above ground
Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:36 am |
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sorry guys but I'm confused
Firstly you quoted a different part of what Penny said then what I was referring to. I'm referring to this bit of her thing.
Quote: | I'm actually rather content with what happens on Thursday nights.. go ahead and shoot me, but I am. I find that it's one of the only things keeping me sane. |
Secondly Elliot, there is a difference between negative feedback and constructive critism. It's disappointing to hear negative feedback (e.g. Youth was boring last night) when the person who says it makes no effort at trying to offer a suggestion to help fix it. It is constructive critism when there is a suggestion offered.
Also we haven't had one of those "silly" bible study things in about a month because of a lot of you, including you Elliot, don't even attempt to take it seriously and crack jokes. So you can't really say that its silly when some of you aren't even making a full effort to make it educational and meaningful. Fair enough that some of the scenarios are a bit farfetched but for some they are very real and some in the group might be going through one of those scenarios right now.
Hypothetically the next bible study we were going to look at could be one that affects one of us very deeply and that person may be yearning to hear how some of us might handle the situation. But by making fun of these scenarios you may inadvertantly pull one of your friends down, who may already be as low as possible at that moment and you are dragging them down even further. So just think about that the next time we do one of the "silly" bible studies.
You only get out of it what you put into it. So don't any of you dare think of them as "silly" anymore, especially if you're not gonna put an effort into it.
For the record none of that was directly aimed at you Elliot, so don't feel like it was, cos I'm directing this to all those in the youth group.
Also the Thursday night is called a Praise and Worship Night, not a scripture night. Therefore bible study will be kept but at a lesser degree when compared to the songs time. But don't worry there is talk of a bible study time being put into action sometime in the future, but don't ask when cos it might be awhile. Also guys remember that we are only there for 2 hours and by the time we start we have even less time. I'm sure when we start having youth church meetings that will all change, but yet again that will be awhile in the making.
Thanks Adam for that post that's what I've been trying to put into words for awhile. Cheers |
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Kung-Fu
Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 997 Location: Eliza lives places.
Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:26 pm |
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Stevie's being macho!
Bravo, put that foot down! _________________
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Powerkiss
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 176 Location: Second to the right! and straight on till morning!!
Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:21 pm |
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Hmm, I too agree with Adam.
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* Possibly half an hour prayer time from 6:30-7, so the time that we used to use for the 'Bible teachings' can come back, and well ...be set. That way we can concentrate on the teachings instead of how much time we have left to pray for people. _________________ Great news! I know what happened to Cinderella. She defeated the pirates. There was stabbing, slicing, torture, bleeding and they lived happily ever after!!! I LOVE HAPPY!! |
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Stevo
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 26 Location: Only hole above ground
Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:25 pm |
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Just so all of you know, the money for youth alive is due on Friday Night. It costs $20 and if it isn't in by Friday then I'm pretty sure you can't go. Don't quote me but I think that the cut off date is the 1st of September, this Saturday, therefore Friday is your last chance, no exceptions. At the moment I think only 4 have paid, so lets see if we can reach double figures. |
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Wilkins Moderator
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 3452 Location: What?
Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:58 pm |
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I might not be coming to Youth Alive.
Back on the situation
Youth is very monotonus, it's the same games every week. You see, we are not kids anymore and we (a lot of us) understand somethings, and we need to learn scripture, not just to bring us down and screw us up... but to wisen us up a bit. The last time I heard a serious sermon from Vicki was the whole "Thou shalt not gossip" message. We need more than just the games on saturday and the p&w on thursday. WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LEARN SCRIPTURE. We are not kids anymore.
You may not agree with me, but that's what I think... And just so you don't go "well what are you doing about it", I am making messages and sermons to preach. _________________
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