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Kung-Fu
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:33 pm |
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Wilkins, what about the people that ARE actually kids at youth?
You're not thinking of the younger members here.
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Stevo
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:44 pm |
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| I'm sorry wilkins but if you had read back a few posts you'll read why saturday youth isn't like that. Saturday youth is to bring people in not to advance our own personal walk in God, that is what Thursdays and Sunday Church meetings are for. I recommend you talk to vicki about your thoughts. |
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That Guy
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:44 pm |
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yeh i mean im like the youngest one there and sure thatd be great and ive learnt alot from just the stuff youth does i actually learnt stuff from those "silly bible thinggys" i dont know where the rest of you are but i havent learnt that much i still have alot more of the basics n stuff to learn about .
and i dont know if its just me but listen i do alot of it these days and its taught me alot though i wight just look like a stupid kid that knows nothing but theres a bit more to me than most of you think .
but meh its preety fine where it is now i reckon
it would be hard enough as it is just to get a youth group going littone make every in it perfectly happy .
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:45 pm |
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From looking back into the picture, youth looks like a good' ol fishin' trip. You set up a good ol' bit of meat on a nice big hook, it leaves the option very open and available for whoever is interested. Its not likely that someone will just wander into a church and discover "Christ" etc, etc, I guess we all need a little bit of a sample before we do anything big. No one wants to sit an exam they have no idea about, thats why we're givin revision sheets, so we know what we can expect.
Youth is like walking up a flight of stairs I guess, you can't just jump up a few stories, you need to get a bit of a feel of "getting there". This is what youth is offering..that "feel". And you can continue on your journey...
Also, the same games may happen everyweek, but the same thing doesn't  .. Just think about all of the different "lols", I believe church is a main 'arena' for "SERIOUSLY LEARNING SCRIPTURE".
Quit making it all about yourself Robbie. It doesn't matter what people think about you in this thread, really. Its how people feel about youth. Like Steven said, its all about what you put in, its like life. If you want to put in 100%, it'll pretty much be guaranteed you'll get what you want. Its a group effort, to seek individual results I think. Its good reading scriptures and applying it to your own self, thinkign of ways to better yourself.
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That Guy
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:57 pm |
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id did put a bit in on what we could do .
and wtf?
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:54 pm |
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penny said-
| Quote: | I've been filled in on everything that's been said on this thread.. and man I'm rather confused/sad/mad. Some of this type of negativity is why I left this joint in the first place, but after reading all of it I have something to say.
First of all.. this youth group is pretty much my second family :/ . Most of the people in it I can gladly call my brothers and my sisters. And whether you do in on the internet, indirectly in front of my face, or just when I accidently hear when walking past.. it freaking hurts when I hear some of you tearing into the youth group like there's no tomorrow. No, I'm not making this about me, but sometimes it seems like you don't even know what you're saying. Words are powerful things, I guess.
Something that I feel needs to be said is this. Do you guys see how much Vicki and the rest of the leaders put into this youth group? How much planning and preparation they do just so we can enjoy ourselves, and shock horror, maybe learn something too? At this current moment, that I know of, Vicki runs the church's children's ministry, she runs our youth group (which means thinking up games, spending hours writing out sermons etc), set up the Thursday night thing for us, not to mention she has a job and her kids to look after, PLUS youth church which is starting sometime in the future. And I hear some of you ripping into her like she hates our guts and wants us to die or something!
Oh yeah, by the way.. God placed her and Steve in the role of leading the youth group. She runs everything past Mr Wilson and I'm pretty sure she runs it past God as well! What are you saying now, it's God's fault that our youth group isn't good enough for you?
Our youth group is the way that it is. If you don't like it, please don't waste your energy telling us how bad it is (because it's obviously one of the WORST youth groups EVA [/sarcasm]). If you feel it's not good enough for you, then why do you even come anymore? If you don't like the games, why don't you go and find some more? (Oh, that would be rather hard wouldn't it.) Some of you seem to be so focused on what isn't happening that you don't even notice when something does happen. Focused on the bad instead of the good :/ .
Arg, I'm sorry if this offended anyone. A friend this afternoon told me that I need to have a voice.. I decided that this may well be a jolly good place to start. Don't worry, you probably won't hear from me again. |
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Wilkins
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:41 pm |
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I don't feel like coming to Thursdays. I really don't. Besides, I have to work.
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Stevo
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:51 pm |
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i would thank Penny if she was still on here, but she isn't, arghhh. 
That's how I feel sometimes with you lot, you don't realise the time that we put into it. With me personally I'm at uni 5 days a week and holding down a part time job. And my brother works 40+ hours per week. it's not like we sit around all day and think of how to make youth better. I'm sorry to say it, but Neilsen and Elliot you must realise that neither of you have a job or go to school, per se. I understand you're looking for a job elliot, and that's commendable, and I hope you'll realise how busy life can become when you have one.
I'm glad to see that some of you want to advance on your walk with God, but really if you want to seriously go further, I strongly recommend attending cell groups, prayer meetings, prayer vigils, even bible school, cos youth is only one of the first steps, as Adam said, towards your walk with God.
Just reading back over the posts then and I just read that you Wilkins think youth is monotonous. May I ask when was the last time you came to youth for more than 2 weeks in a row. I mean that with all due respect to you Wilkins, cos you're a good kid, but you must realise you're only getting snippets of what we've been doing lately.
I'm not angry with any of you guys, I would just appreciate it if you could see what youth is like from our (the leaders) perspective. |
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Wilkins
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:34 pm |
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Yeah man, I see where your coming from dude. I've just had enough of people telling me the same old "well what are you going to do about it" line. If I want something, then I should take the initiatve. And that's what I am doing, creating messages, to hopefully get the ball rolling
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:55 pm |
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Stevie: Penny had a read of what you said.
Something I want to add about what you said about the walk... Think of it as a youth, you're going to a cell group, on your own and hardly know any of the adults there, walking into the middle of a series (Sunday nights at the Redshaw's for example) not knowing what's been going on, that's even if you can get to one since they're on Thursday night. It's rather off putting. Before you get the wrong idea, I have been to a cell group before so I know what it is.
I also realise that a Sunday night will be made for the youth eventually and I can't wait.
Also, the Sunday after camp when we were figuring out between ourselves what to do mid-week for the first time. Yes the main idea was for the music, but we were also going to try and get someone to say something, like Petra since we were going to have it at Ben's. So the idea of a short word of some kind has always been there.
But this is probably all I'm going to add now, the people who want more will always want more and those who are fine with how it is are going to stay there, there's nothing any of us can do about that. I'm just putting forth MY ideas to make youth better, because I want to see it and me grow spiritually. |
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Wilkins
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:02 pm |
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As do I, and that is what I am doing. Offering suggestions and helping out... I'm actually helping Vicki out so... Geoff and Vicki actually like what I write, so there you go.
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:11 pm |
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Here's what I promote...
Since this is dragging on for longer than it should and arguments are taking place when they can easily be avoided... sometime in the future (even friday or sunday?) if you have some feedback for the youth then actually say them in the real world where expression is conveyed a lot easier.
Our youth group is a family and even though families do fight sometimes, its still not nice. I don't want to see someone of the family leave over something that can simply be fixed by facing it all in the real world.
And keeping it in line with the youth thread...
I will be having Rachel and Ingrid coming to youth this friday. This is going to be pret-ty much the equivilant of a first time for both of them. That's why I say friday/saturday night youth should be a 'normal' youth night with less of a thursday influence. Its gonna be pretty hard for both of them, so play nice.
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Wilkins
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Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:17 pm |
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Zomg! They are coming 
Yeah, Shane I agree... I don't know what started this, but I'm just suggesting stuff
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Stevo
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Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:01 am |
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We have NEW people coming to youth. WOOHOO!!!! When was the last time we had someone new to a friday/saturday youth? I can't remember. Was it Eliza? Cos that was a long time ago.
I promise to be on the best of behaviour.
As for the other thing, I'm glad to see you're doing a sermon tomorrow, can't wait!!
I'm not dissing anyone's ideas, and it's probably this online talking things fault, but some of your messages come across as aggressive, so I'm happy to keep reading on here more and more ideas, but as shane said, tell me in person too, so I don't get confused.
I also understand where you are coming from neilsen, cell groups can be a bit daunting, but you have to take a step of faith someotimes to get anywhere. But i can understand those who have reservations about that sort of stuff anyway.
Cya all tonight!!!!!!!! |
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:27 am |
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i think the last new people were was jess (neilsen's one), and maybe jacqui, but i can't remember whether her or eliza came first.
you naughty steven, forgetting people like that!
now for the reason i came in here, i rather enjoyed last night's thing, i think we all would've learned something, if not through the heart>words>salvation thing through the 'how decisions are made' section at the end. in regard to the decisions part i agree with pretty much all of what was said, though i'm a bit grumpy about no 'fire fall down' indefinately.
it balanced out, though. thumbs up. |
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Stevo
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:28 pm |
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Fire Fall down isn't going to played any time soon, but one day it will used. Don't worry its time will come.
What was the girl's name that came to youth a few weeks ago on a thursday, was it Crystal or something like that.
That's awful i should try and remember these kids names. |
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:38 pm |
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| don't worry steve, it's only because you're getting old now, it's krystel i think, she's registered on thoih as M!LKY. |
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:26 pm |
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Too many people come through our youth, hard to keep track of all of them
I thought last night went rather well, got learning in without really disrupting the flow of the night so I'm happy, that's all I've been asking for.
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Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:27 pm |
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Hmmm, yeah. It will be aye. We shall see what happens aye . If it is a complete screw up, then it's a learning curb. If it is a sucess, then it's a sucess.
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Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:54 pm |
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They quite enjoyed it.
Btw it's Kristel...
I don't think anyone has any place for badmouthing anything to do with spreading God's word, that's just plain inappropriate. And if you are doing it to make things better, then saying 'it sucks' isn't quite enough.
Also we need to allow it to get better. The success of most of the games depends solely on whether we decide to like them or not. Take dodgeball, we got into this mindset where dodgeball was the ultimate and we have been playing it forever, but any other games and it's all groan.. Let's try things before we count them out.
Also one of the reasons that really destroys youth and makes it not as fun is the disrespect that is shown to the people giving sermons or running activities. I've been to other youth groups and when their leader speaks, everyone is silent. Why don't our leaders get the same treatment? I think that highly disrespectful.
I can see youth getting a lot better soon, but it's not just up to the leaders, its up to all the Christians.
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